Joe frazier (rip) would be the smallest opponent wlad....

[AdamGB]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

[El Kabong]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

[Peter Plys 44]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

B/W-syndrome - everything in the past was better than today.... - like talking with ones grandparents: "when I was young the winter was a lot harder than today - and the summer was much more sunny than today" - gnæk gnæk gnæk gnæk :-D

[Spicoli]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

B/W-syndrome - everything in the past was better than today.... - like talking with ones grandparents: "when I was young the winter was a lot harder than today - and the summer was much more sunny than today" - gnæk gnæk gnæk gnæk :-D

They don't call it the Golden era of the division for nothing. I think younger generations do the exact opposite when it comes to fighters of eras gone by. They gravitate to what they know and live, its completely natural. Regarding the heavyweight division in a Foreman, Frazier, Ali etc etc era though, thank God they-we recognize the quality and competitiveness of that time and not just blow it off as some blurry photos and dusty fossils when compared to todays guys, well, most do not. It was just deeper and far more fan friendly.

[Peter Plys 44]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

B/W-syndrome - everything in the past was better than today.... - like talking with ones grandparents: "when I was young the winter was a lot harder than today - and the summer was much more sunny than today" - gnæk gnæk gnæk gnæk :-D

They don't call it the Golden era of the division for nothing. I think younger generations do the exact opposite when it comes to fighters of eras gone by. They gravitate to what they know and live, its completely natural. Regarding the heavyweight division in a Foreman, Frazier, Ali etc etc era though, thank God they-we recognize the quality and competitiveness of that time and not just blow it off as some blurry photos and dusty fossils when compared to todays guys, well, most do not. It was just deeper and far more fan friendly.

It surely was a very exiting era and no one denies that fact - but that is not the same as postulating that The Smoker would stand a chance against Wlad. Carl Lewis is greater than any of today's sprinters or runners since his prime (at least until Bolt maybe wins medals in OL 2016) - but since CL's unbreakable 1991 100m record it has already been surpassed more than 80 times. Many of the runners with far lesser talent than CL but they are still better runners than CL ever was even CL is the greatest.

JF was great in his time - but I doubt he would be in top20 today even he is a greater boxer than every single one of them except Wlad and maybe Vitali.

[Beanz]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

B/W-syndrome - everything in the past was better than today.... - like talking with ones grandparents: "when I was young the winter was a lot harder than today - and the summer was much more sunny than today" - gnæk gnæk gnæk gnæk :-D

They don't call it the Golden era of the division for nothing. I think younger generations do the exact opposite when it comes to fighters of eras gone by. They gravitate to what they know and live, its completely natural. Regarding the heavyweight division in a Foreman, Frazier, Ali etc etc era though, thank God they-we recognize the quality and competitiveness of that time and not just blow it off as some blurry photos and dusty fossils when compared to todays guys, well, most do not. It was just deeper and far more fan friendly.

It surely was a very exiting era and no one denies that fact - but that is not the same as postulating that The Smoker would stand a chance against Wlad. Carl Lewis is greater than any of today's sprinters or runners since his prime (at least until Bolt maybe wins medals in OL 2016) - but since CL's unbreakable 1991 100m record it has already been surpassed more than 80 times. Many of the runners with far lesser talent than CL but they are still better runners than CL ever was even CL is the greatest.

JF was great in his time - but I doubt he would be in top20 today even he is a greater boxer than every single one of them except Wlad and maybe Vitali.

Yeah whatever.

[Spicoli]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

B/W-syndrome - everything in the past was better than today.... - like talking with ones grandparents: "when I was young the winter was a lot harder than today - and the summer was much more sunny than today" - gnæk gnæk gnæk gnæk :-D

They don't call it the Golden era of the division for nothing. I think younger generations do the exact opposite when it comes to fighters of eras gone by. They gravitate to what they know and live, its completely natural. Regarding the heavyweight division in a Foreman, Frazier, Ali etc etc era though, thank God they-we recognize the quality and competitiveness of that time and not just blow it off as some blurry photos and dusty fossils when compared to todays guys, well, most do not. It was just deeper and far more fan friendly.

It surely was a very exiting era and no one denies that fact - but that is not the same as postulating that The Smoker would stand a chance against Wlad. Carl Lewis is greater than any of today's sprinters or runners since his prime (at least until Bolt maybe wins medals in OL 2016) - but since CL's unbreakable 1991 100m record it has already been surpassed more than 80 times. Many of the runners with far lesser talent than CL but they are still better runners than CL ever was even CL is the greatest.

JF was great in his time - but I doubt he would be in top20 today even he is a greater boxer than every single one of them except Wlad and maybe Vitali.

Lost me there with Carl, Bolt and the running thing but in this division where a totally shot carnival float named Rahman is considered a mandatory #1 contender, I dont doubt they would omit a guy of Fraziers caliber.

Don't know of anyone saying Frazier owns Wlad but the guy fractured faces of some of the hardest heads at hvy and def wouldn't do what his last number of opponets did...except role...in trying to land a bomb. Wlad isn't a cyborg for shits sake.

[fightscorecollector]

I have not read all thepost on this thread apart from the Original post.

Frazier vs Wlad.....205lbs or Frazier vs 240lbs of Wlad??

size would come into it..YES you would be crazy not to mention it although smokin Joe did KO bigger guys eg Buster Mathis who was 243lbs

The only guy that was able to keep Frazier away from him was Foreman...Ali couldnt do it and im very sure Wlad wouldnt be able to do it...why??

Foreman was a walk forward bomber who stood his ground, that is simply not Wlads style. Wlad tends to take his time and tries to wear down his oppoenent for a later stoppage.(box off back foot)

Frazier would make Wlad work like never before, if that left hook land clean enough then it all over. Wlad is too wooden and safety first to beat a prime frazier. Wlad would need to land a massive massive punch to win as Frazier would outwork and outfight him. It might be close for 7-8 rounds DUE to Wlads size but he hast fought anything like the machine Frazier was in his prime.

Smokin Joe would win probably by a Ko anywhere between 10-15 rounds

[El Kabong]

I have not read all thepost on this thread apart from the Original post.

Frazier vs Wlad.....205lbs or Frazier vs 240lbs of Wlad??

size would come into it..YES you would be crazy not to mention it although smokin Joe did KO bigger guys eg Buster Mathis who was 243lbs

The only guy that was able to keep Frazier away from him was Foreman...Ali couldnt do it and im very sure Wlad wouldnt be able to do it...why??

Foreman was a walk forward bomber who stood his ground, that is simply not Wlads style. Wlad tends to take his time and tries to wear down his oppoenent for a later stoppage.(box off back foot)

Frazier would make Wlad work like never before, if that left hook land clean enough then it all over. Wlad is too wooden and safety first to beat a prime frazier. Wlad would need to land a massive massive punch to win as Frazier would outwork and outfight him. It might be close for 7-8 rounds DUE to Wlads size but he hast fought anything like the machine Frazier was in his prime.

Smokin Joe would win probably by a Ko anywhere between 10-15 rounds

You remember how vs Ali many comments were made about Joe taking 3 punches to land one, granted that night he made it work but vs Wladimir you're simply not going to want to get hit at a 3 to 1 ratio. Wladimir controls pace and distance with his jab which is powerful and accurate. Frazier's defense was mostly about bobbing up and down and subtley slipping punches at a distance in order to leap in with the big left hook....you don't want to leap in when there's a right cross barrelling down on you from a fighter like Wlad. I respect Joe Frazier, he was a great fighter but styles make fights and Frazier is a 1 armed fighter unless he can get in on the inside with the short right hand and vs Wladimir he simply wouldn't be able to do that.

[Master]

Philosopher you are a imbecile with your so called facts. Look at reality, just because Foreman was more experienced does not necessary mean he was better than the original prime version. Young George would have battered old Foreman, in fact old George would never have fought him in the first place. Old George publicly stated he would never fight Lennox because he would be beat, old George was very selective with his opponents. Do not compare old George to the prime George, old George had a better jab and personality but that would not have kept him from losing to prime Foreman. Stop quoting his comeback fights as a weakness, if anything they add to his legacy because he should not have won any of them coming back from boxing with that much gap, it is a testimont to his punch power and commitment.

[fightscorecollector]

I have not read all thepost on this thread apart from the Original post.

Frazier vs Wlad.....205lbs or Frazier vs 240lbs of Wlad??

size would come into it..YES you would be crazy not to mention it although smokin Joe did KO bigger guys eg Buster Mathis who was 243lbs

The only guy that was able to keep Frazier away from him was Foreman...Ali couldnt do it and im very sure Wlad wouldnt be able to do it...why??

Foreman was a walk forward bomber who stood his ground, that is simply not Wlads style. Wlad tends to take his time and tries to wear down his oppoenent for a later stoppage.(box off back foot)

Frazier would make Wlad work like never before, if that left hook land clean enough then it all over. Wlad is too wooden and safety first to beat a prime frazier. Wlad would need to land a massive massive punch to win as Frazier would outwork and outfight him. It might be close for 7-8 rounds DUE to Wlads size but he hast fought anything like the machine Frazier was in his prime.

Smokin Joe would win probably by a Ko anywhere between 10-15 rounds

You remember how vs Ali many comments were made about Joe taking 3 punches to land one, granted that night he made it work but vs Wladimir you're simply not going to want to get hit at a 3 to 1 ratio. Wladimir controls pace and distance with his jab which is powerful and accurate. Frazier's defense was mostly about bobbing up and down and subtley slipping punches at a distance in order to leap in with the big left hook....you don't want to leap in when there's a right cross barrelling down on you from a fighter like Wlad. I respect Joe Frazier, he was a great fighter but styles make fights and Frazier is a 1 armed fighter unless he can get in on the inside with the short right hand and vs Wladimir he simply wouldn't be able to do that.

i understand what you are saying although you have to think of Ali's speed of punch compared to Wlad's. Total night and day. I think Frazier wouldnt have been hit with as many as Ali hit with. Vs Wlad i just think he is too wooden to keep Joe off him effectivley for 15 rounds.

[TitoFan]

Yeah, they fight who's out there... Can't fault them on that.

What I do fault is anybody who thinks the division today is better just because fighters are bigger.

Other sports and opportunities have sucked a lot of the talent away from modern heavyweight boxing, the 70s had more talent in my opinion... Talent doesn't evolve, physical knowledge and technology does and in my opinion if you applied it to 70s heavies then you'd have a division as physically fit as today, but vibrant with talent and hunger.

It's a shame for the klits, they'd get more creditfor being a nose a head of thr competition than they do for being a mile a head of it... Philosopher dumbing everything down to 'they're big' is a gross over simplication.

Well what I have a problem with is no matter how good these guys are there seems to be a ceiling as to how great people can perceive them of being. Only Rocky Marciano retired the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, only Joe Louis made 25 consecutive successful title defenses and even if the Klitschko's had done that they'd never be considered greater than those fighters. Even if Wlad had rivalries where he had to fight tooth and nail to win he wouldn't be considered as great as Ali. If Wlad talked trash and was very intimidating he'd never be considered as great as Tyson. I just don't agree with that, the guys are the best this era has to offer and they are as you said MILES ahead of their competition. They are great no doubt, but Wlad is still writing his legacy.

That would've helped him more than you're assuming it would have.
A LOT more.