Joe frazier (rip) would be the smallest opponent wlad....

[Fenster]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

[El Kabong]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

"Mythical fights" is that like with unicorns and fairies?


Wladimir Klitschko is a Great heavyweight Champion.....wait for it......FACT. Just because you refuse to fight your own brother doesn't mean your legacy suffers. Also if the amount of successful title defenses Wlad has achieved was EASY then wouldn't Joe Louis' record already be broken? It has been 60 years guys.

[Fenster]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

"Mythical fights" is that like with unicorns and fairies?


Wladimir Klitschko is a Great heavyweight Champion.....wait for it......FACT. Just because you refuse to fight your own brother doesn't mean your legacy suffers. Also if the amount of successful title defenses Wlad has achieved was EASY then wouldn't Joe Louis' record already be broken? It has been 60 years guys.

To compare Louis with Wlad is utterly ridiculous.

Louis exisited in an era of ONE champion. He was the 100% indisputable champion of the world.

Wlad has existed in an era of FOUR possible champions. Never at any point in Wlad's career has he simultaneously held all four titles. He never beat the lineal champion. The closest he's ever got to being a "legit" champion was when he beat Chagaev. The Ring magazine recognised that fight, between the no.1 and no.3, as the crowning of a NEW champion.

So Wlad has made FIVE successful defenses of the heavyweight title. That's it (although, of course, you have to completely ignore the fact that his strongest rival has been present throughout this time).

This is not a slight on Wlad. He's just very unlucky that his brother, who established himself as a top dog, was around at the same time.

[El Kabong]

To compare Louis with Wlad is utterly ridiculous.

Louis exisited in an era of ONE champion. He was the 100% indisputable champion of the world.

Wlad has existed in an era of FOUR possible champions. Never at any point in Wlad's career has he simultaneously held all four titles. He never beat the lineal champion. The closest he's ever got to being a "legit" champion was when he beat Chagaev. The Ring magazine recognised that fight, between the no.1 and no.3, as the crowning of a NEW champion.

So Wlad has made FIVE successful defenses of the heavyweight title. That's it (although, of course, you have to completely ignore the fact that his strongest rival has been present throughout this time).

This is not a slight on Wlad. He's just very unlucky that his brother, who established himself as a top dog, was around at the same time.

#1 Its the same record albeit under different circumstances, so if it makes you feel any better put an asterisk beside it. It's no different than Babe Ruth hitting 60 homeruns in 160 games and Maris hitting 61 in 162 games. Its an impressive feat whatever you think about Joe Louis' record. I personally rate Joe Louis as the A#1 Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time (because it's factually correct and because he was an amazing fighter).

#2 ENOUGH about Vitali why even bring it up? They were never going to fight....EVER so it's an erroneous point to continue harping on. They may as well be in different weight classes like the Marquez brothers.

#3 Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko have 2 seperate but impressive legacies and they are all-time great heavyweights. You could write a damn novel of top fighters in boxing that never fought each other....Floyd & Pac anyone Are their careers harmed by that fight not happening? IMO the longer we go without seeing it the less it affects my opinion of them.

[Fenster]

#1 Its the same record albeit under different circumstances, so if it makes you feel any better put an asterisk beside it. It's no different than Babe Ruth hitting 60 homeruns in 160 games and Maris hitting 61 in 162 games. Its an impressive feat whatever you think about Joe Louis' record. I personally rate Joe Louis as the A#1 Greatest Heavyweight Champion of All-Time (because it's factually correct and because he was an amazing fighter).

#2 ENOUGH about Vitali why even bring it up? They were never going to fight....EVER so it's an erroneous point to continue harping on. They may as well be in different weight classes like the Marquez brothers.

#3 Wladimir Klitschko and Vitali Klitschko have 2 seperate but impressive legacies and they are all-time great heavyweights. You could write a damn novel of top fighters in boxing that never fought each other....Floyd & Pac anyone Are their careers harmed by that fight not happening? IMO the longer we go without seeing it the less it affects my opinion of them.

1. It's not the same record. Four world titles means four different sets of rankings. Which clearly dilutes the worth of each individual title.

2. Why bring up the strongest rival of Wlad's era? If Vitali wasn't the WBC champion i'm pretty sure Wlad would have won it by now. Which also opens him up to a whole other set of opponents. Vitali has been a HUGE factor in Wlad's legacy.

3. Pac and Floyd BOTH established themselves as THE man in numerous divisions. They're only each others closest rival at this particular point in time. They both had already disposed of lineal champions, their independently recognised no.1 challenger and had great legacies before they become "rivals."

4. I don't deny Wlad is a "great" heavyweight. I don't deny he hasn't amassed a good legacy. I am merely stating the simple fact that - He has NEVER been THE man. And it's Vitali's fault.

You can't be the best if you don't face the best. Simple as that.

[El Kabong]

1. It's not the same record. Four world titles means four different sets of rankings. Which clearly dilutes the worth of each individual title.

2. Why bring up the strongest rival of Wlad's era? If Vitali wasn't the WBC champion i'm pretty sure Wlad would have won it by now. Which also opens him up to a whole other set of opponents. Vitali has been a HUGE factor in Wlad's legacy.

3. Pac and Floyd BOTH established themselves as THE man in numerous divisions. They're only each others closest rival at this particular point in time. They both had already disposed of lineal champions, their independently recognised no.1 challenger and had great legacies before they become "rivals."

4. I don't deny Wlad is a "great" heavyweight. I don't deny he hasn't amassed a good legacy. I am merely stating the simple fact that - He has NEVER been THE man. And it's Vitali's fault.

You can't be the best if you don't face the best. Simple as that.

1. The record is "Consecutive Successful Title Defenses", Wladimir is THE Heavyweight Champion of the world and only the WBC (for now) thinks otherwise.

2. Vitali isn't Wlad's RIVAL because they're never competitng AGAINST each other.

3. So Wlad should move to cruiserweight is what you're saying? I mean maybe it's me but I think Wlad & Vitali have both had their time at the top of the heap and right now WLAD is A#1 Duke of the Heavyweight division.

4. You assume (and wrongly so) that Vitali was "THE MAN" of the division when Wlad rematched Chris Byrd, Mr. Byrd was the longest reigning title holder. When Wlad beat Chagaev he became the first heavyweight since Lennox Lewis to unify titles. Vitali was the man after beating Sanders but he took a hiatus and lost his spot didn't he?

Wlad & Vitali are the best BUT THEY WILL NEVER FIGHT EACH OTHER SO STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE THEY WILL

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Wladimir is the better chess player.

[Fenster]

1. It's not the same record. Four world titles means four different sets of rankings. Which clearly dilutes the worth of each individual title.

2. Why bring up the strongest rival of Wlad's era? If Vitali wasn't the WBC champion i'm pretty sure Wlad would have won it by now. Which also opens him up to a whole other set of opponents. Vitali has been a HUGE factor in Wlad's legacy.

3. Pac and Floyd BOTH established themselves as THE man in numerous divisions. They're only each others closest rival at this particular point in time. They both had already disposed of lineal champions, their independently recognised no.1 challenger and had great legacies before they become "rivals."

4. I don't deny Wlad is a "great" heavyweight. I don't deny he hasn't amassed a good legacy. I am merely stating the simple fact that - He has NEVER been THE man. And it's Vitali's fault.

You can't be the best if you don't face the best. Simple as that.

1. The record is "Consecutive Successful Title Defenses", Wladimir is THE Heavyweight Champion of the world and only the WBC (for now) thinks otherwise.

2. Vitali isn't Wlad's RIVAL because they're never competitng AGAINST each other.

3. So Wlad should move to cruiserweight is what you're saying? I mean maybe it's me but I think Wlad & Vitali have both had their time at the top of the heap and right now WLAD is A#1 Duke of the Heavyweight division.

4. You assume (and wrongly so) that Vitali was "THE MAN" of the division when Wlad rematched Chris Byrd, Mr. Byrd was the longest reigning title holder. When Wlad beat Chagaev he became the first heavyweight since Lennox Lewis to unify titles. Vitali was the man after beating Sanders but he took a hiatus and lost his spot didn't he?

Wlad & Vitali are the best BUT THEY WILL NEVER FIGHT EACH OTHER SO STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE THEY WILL

Jesus!!!

It's really not hard to understand.

Since Vitali came back in 2008 he's had ten fights. During this time Wlad's had seven. They have ONE common opponent!!! - Sam Peter (who Wlad had already beat)

The TWO best fighters have SIXTEEN different opponents over the past 4 years. How the hell can you be the best fighter in a division if you don't even know who the best fighters are?

Boxing is not a TAG-TEAM sport.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

[Fenster]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

Pele Reid?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

Pele Reid?

Uninspired.

Come on fenster u can do better...Run with me! Who was it?

[Fenster]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

Pele Reid?

Uninspired.

Come on fenster u can do better...Run with me! Who was it?

I could name numerous top fighters. Just get to your point?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

Pele Reid?

Uninspired.

Come on fenster u can do better...Run with me! Who was it?

I could name numerous top fighters. Just get to your point?

Im just curious to know as to who u think was the man lewis beat to cement his legacy as THE man?

[Fenster]

Interestingly, neither fighter has beaten anyone nearly of the caliber of the other

Exactly.

That's why Wlad has never been THE bona fide heavyweight champion of the world.

You can imagine fantasy scenarios all day long but, the cold hard facts are, Wlad never faced THE best fighter of his era. It's unarguable basic logic.

Who was the best fighter of lewis era other than lewis?

Pele Reid?

Uninspired.

Come on fenster u can do better...Run with me! Who was it?

I could name numerous top fighters. Just get to your point?

Im just curious to know as to who u think was the man lewis beat to cement his legacy as THE man?

The lineal champion Shannon Briggs. Fact.