Joe frazier (rip) would be the smallest opponent wlad....

[Fenster]

1. It's not the same record. Four world titles means four different sets of rankings. Which clearly dilutes the worth of each individual title.

2. Why bring up the strongest rival of Wlad's era? If Vitali wasn't the WBC champion i'm pretty sure Wlad would have won it by now. Which also opens him up to a whole other set of opponents. Vitali has been a HUGE factor in Wlad's legacy.

3. Pac and Floyd BOTH established themselves as THE man in numerous divisions. They're only each others closest rival at this particular point in time. They both had already disposed of lineal champions, their independently recognised no.1 challenger and had great legacies before they become "rivals."

4. I don't deny Wlad is a "great" heavyweight. I don't deny he hasn't amassed a good legacy. I am merely stating the simple fact that - He has NEVER been THE man. And it's Vitali's fault.

You can't be the best if you don't face the best. Simple as that.

1. The record is "Consecutive Successful Title Defenses", Wladimir is THE Heavyweight Champion of the world and only the WBC (for now) thinks otherwise.

2. Vitali isn't Wlad's RIVAL because they're never competitng AGAINST each other.

3. So Wlad should move to cruiserweight is what you're saying? I mean maybe it's me but I think Wlad & Vitali have both had their time at the top of the heap and right now WLAD is A#1 Duke of the Heavyweight division.

4. You assume (and wrongly so) that Vitali was "THE MAN" of the division when Wlad rematched Chris Byrd, Mr. Byrd was the longest reigning title holder. When Wlad beat Chagaev he became the first heavyweight since Lennox Lewis to unify titles. Vitali was the man after beating Sanders but he took a hiatus and lost his spot didn't he?

Wlad & Vitali are the best BUT THEY WILL NEVER FIGHT EACH OTHER SO STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE THEY WILL

Jesus!!!

It's really not hard to understand.

Since Vitali came back in 2008 he's had ten fights. During this time Wlad's had seven. They have ONE common opponent!!! - Sam Peter (who Wlad had already beat)

The TWO best fighters have SIXTEEN different opponents over the past 4 years. How the hell can you be the best fighter in a division if you don't even know who the best fighters are?

Boxing is not a TAG-TEAM sport.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

There are a lot of unanswered question's in boxing at the minute it doesn't just apply to K2!

I mean who's the best P4P fighter? Manny or mayweather?

Wlad is the better fighter overall. It's undeniable really. I don't think he needs vitali to prove it...

Love to see it though.

[El Kabong]

Jesus!!!

It's really not hard to understand.

Since Vitali came back in 2008 he's had ten fights. During this time Wlad's had seven. They have ONE common opponent!!! - Sam Peter (who Wlad had already beat)

The TWO best fighters have SIXTEEN different opponents over the past 4 years. How the hell can you be the best fighter in a division if you don't even know who the best fighters are?

Boxing is not a TAG-TEAM sport.

Wlad has had 9 soon to be 10 fights since Vitali's comeback. Between the 2 brothers WLAD has been the one to unify the titles not Vitali. Vitali has an extra fight in there because the Solis "fight" barely started before that fat bastard's knee gave out, but some Klitschko haters still to this day think that Solis was "winning the fight"

Boxing isn't a tag team sport and the brothers aren't both fighting the same opponent on 1 night. The deal is this after Vitali beat Sanders & Kirk Johnson he was the man of the division....after his little hiatus Wlad took over. Wlad is THE MAN of the division...it's not hard to figure out, it's common fucking knowledge, he's got the most belts, he's been the most impressive, and Vitali has done his work without falling behind too much but it's Wlad's time in the division everyone knows that why you're insisting they fight each other or have one retire or whatever is just idiotic.

And I above all people know who the best fighters in the heavyweight division are because everyone else bitches about it.

[Fenster]

Jesus!!!

It's really not hard to understand.

Since Vitali came back in 2008 he's had ten fights. During this time Wlad's had seven. They have ONE common opponent!!! - Sam Peter (who Wlad had already beat)

The TWO best fighters have SIXTEEN different opponents over the past 4 years. How the hell can you be the best fighter in a division if you don't even know who the best fighters are?

Boxing is not a TAG-TEAM sport.

Wlad has had 9 soon to be 10 fights since Vitali's comeback. Between the 2 brothers WLAD has been the one to unify the titles not Vitali. Vitali has an extra fight in there because the Solis "fight" barely started before that fat bastard's knee gave out, but some Klitschko haters still to this day think that Solis was "winning the fight"

Boxing isn't a tag team sport and the brothers aren't both fighting the same opponent on 1 night. The deal is this after Vitali beat Sanders & Kirk Johnson he was the man of the division....after his little hiatus Wlad took over. Wlad is THE MAN of the division...it's not hard to figure out, it's common fucking knowledge, he's got the most belts, he's been the most impressive, and Vitali has done his work without falling behind too much but it's Wlad's time in the division everyone knows that why you're insisting they fight each other or have one retire or whatever is just idiotic.

And I above all people know who the best fighters in the heavyweight division are because everyone else bitches about it.

You need to check your dates. It's 7. Fact.

The Klits ain't fighting the same opposition on any night let alone the same night. That's the problem.

Wlad is recognised as the top heavyweight purely because The Ring magazine declared his fight with Chagaev (no.3) for the title. It's got fuck all to do with him facing tougher opposition than Vitali. Wlad is the champ because we all have to IGNORE his brother, the WBC and their entire rankings.

That's why, to any boxing fan with a half a brain cell, and nerdy enough to even care about this shit, Wlad has NEVER been the genuine champion of the world. It was made impossible by his big bro.

Not ONCE have I said they "should" fight each other. Don't be silly.

[El Kabong]

Vitali came back in 2008, I guess you didn't want me to count 2 of the 3 fights Wladimir had that year because they happened before October of that year

OK so Wlad & Vitali hurt each other because they are fighting different opponents? Well you DO realize that the ratings of the different sanctioning bodies are different right? I mean that's NOT lost on you is it? Who has fought better competition recently Is it Vitali or Wlad or don't you know? You seem to be easily confused right now.

If you're not suggesting they fight each other what RATIONAL idea to do you have in mind?

[Fenster]

Vitali came back in 2008, I guess you didn't want me to count 2 of the 3 fights Wladimir had that year because they happened before October of that year

OK so Wlad & Vitali hurt each other because they are fighting different opponents? Well you DO realize that the ratings of the different sanctioning bodies are different right? I mean that's NOT lost on you is it? Who has fought better competition recently Is it Vitali or Wlad or don't you know? You seem to be easily confused right now.

If you're not suggesting they fight each other what RATIONAL idea to do you have in mind?

1. Pay attention. What came before Vitali's comeback is irrelevant to my point.

2. The ratings from different sanctioning bodies throw up different opponents? That is EXACTLY the point i've been making. If you are limited to a certain amount of opponents per division, how can you ever establish yourself as THE best? You can't. Unless you defeat your independently recognised closest challenger.

3. This is a real simple way to understand this - If Haye beat Wlad he would be THE best heavyweight on the planet, right? Who would Haye have been expected to fight next? Vitali!!! Why? Because Vitali is the next best.

Wlad has a luxury that basically no other fighter in history has. He's a good "champion." But his brother is a major factor in his career.

[ninjaspy3]

Vitali came back in 2008, I guess you didn't want me to count 2 of the 3 fights Wladimir had that year because they happened before October of that year

OK so Wlad & Vitali hurt each other because they are fighting different opponents? Well you DO realize that the ratings of the different sanctioning bodies are different right? I mean that's NOT lost on you is it? Who has fought better competition recently Is it Vitali or Wlad or don't you know? You seem to be easily confused right now.

If you're not suggesting they fight each other what RATIONAL idea to do you have in mind?

1. Pay attention. What came before Vitali's comeback is irrelevant to my point.

2. The ratings from different sanctioning bodies throw up different opponents? That is EXACTLY the point i've been making. If you are limited to a certain amount of opponents per division, how can you ever establish yourself as THE best? You can't. Unless you defeat your independently recognised closest challenger.

3. This is a real simple way to understand this - If Haye beat Wlad he would be THE best heavyweight on the planet, right? Who would Haye have been expected to fight next? Vitali!!! Why? Because Vitali is the next best.

Wlad has a luxury that basically no other fighter in history has. He's a good "champion." But his brother is a major factor in his career.

Definitely. When the toughest opponent out there is your own brother who you dont have to fight, that is convienient.

Also in my opinion, The Klitschkos have the advantage of dividing up different opponents between the 2 of them.

With most of the opposition I dont think it mattered as much as both were fully capable of beating some opponents. But then there were one or two matched with a Klitschko brother better suited to that particular brother.

For example, i think Vitali took on a few that would have troubled Wladimir and vise vera.

When there is only 1 champ, he has to fight all opposition.

[El Kabong]

1. Pay attention. What came before Vitali's comeback is irrelevant to my point.

2. The ratings from different sanctioning bodies throw up different opponents? That is EXACTLY the point i've been making. If you are limited to a certain amount of opponents per division, how can you ever establish yourself as THE best? You can't. Unless you defeat your independently recognised closest challenger.

3. This is a real simple way to understand this - If Haye beat Wlad he would be THE best heavyweight on the planet, right? Who would Haye have been expected to fight next? Vitali!!! Why? Because Vitali is the next best.

Wlad has a luxury that basically no other fighter in history has. He's a good "champion." But his brother is a major factor in his career.

1. You posted like Wlad wasn't being an active Champion when he defended his titles 3 times in 2008.

2. Nobody is going to argue against the fact that there are too many sanctioning bodies, too many belts, etc. But the Klitschko's stay active and fight roughly twice a year if not more.

3. You've conceeded your point, you just admitted Wlad is THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE DIVISION. Now surely you meant to alledge that "He'll never fight the 2nd best heavyweight in the division" but that's erroneous because the 2nd best heavyweight won't fight the #1 either so they blank each other out and what are we left with? We're left with Wlad as #1, Vitali as #1a and everybody else waaaaaaaaaaay down the line at #2-whatever

[Fenster]

1. Pay attention. What came before Vitali's comeback is irrelevant to my point.

2. The ratings from different sanctioning bodies throw up different opponents? That is EXACTLY the point i've been making. If you are limited to a certain amount of opponents per division, how can you ever establish yourself as THE best? You can't. Unless you defeat your independently recognised closest challenger.

3. This is a real simple way to understand this - If Haye beat Wlad he would be THE best heavyweight on the planet, right? Who would Haye have been expected to fight next? Vitali!!! Why? Because Vitali is the next best.

Wlad has a luxury that basically no other fighter in history has. He's a good "champion." But his brother is a major factor in his career.

1. You posted like Wlad wasn't being an active Champion when he defended his titles 3 times in 2008.

2. Nobody is going to argue against the fact that there are too many sanctioning bodies, too many belts, etc. But the Klitschko's stay active and fight roughly twice a year if not more.

3. You've conceeded your point, you just admitted Wlad is THE BEST HEAVYWEIGHT IN THE DIVISION. Now surely you meant to alledge that "He'll never fight the 2nd best heavyweight in the division" but that's erroneous because the 2nd best heavyweight won't fight the #1 either so they blank each other out and what are we left with? We're left with Wlad as #1, Vitali as #1a and everybody else waaaaaaaaaaay down the line at #2-whatever

We're left without a true definitive champion.

Boxing is not tag team. It is not doubles. You can't claim credit for your partners success. The Klits are individuals. Even you, Wlad's biggest fan, demean his accomplishments by refering to HIM as "the Klitschko's"