Romney vs. Obama Debate - Part II on Tuesday - let's score it!

[El Kabong]

OK, so the money the feds spend subsidising education is mainly to help people who otherwise couldn't afford it get an education. If they took that money away how would that improve access to education?

....now this isn't my argument but I'm just going to say that the problem isn't so much with the "subsidising of higher education" as it is with the whole "college costs a fuck ton more than it used to and it isn't giving graduates the bang for the buck"

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, so the money the feds spend subsidising education is mainly to help people who otherwise couldn't afford it get an education. If they took that money away how would that improve access to education?

....now this isn't my argument but I'm just going to say that the problem isn't so much with the "subsidising of higher education" as it is with the whole "college costs a fuck ton more than it used to and it isn't giving graduates the bang for the buck"

That's because of outsourcing and offshoring and various other methods of arbitraging graduate labour rates down to Asian levels.

[El Kabong]

OK, so the money the feds spend subsidising education is mainly to help people who otherwise couldn't afford it get an education. If they took that money away how would that improve access to education?

....now this isn't my argument but I'm just going to say that the problem isn't so much with the "subsidising of higher education" as it is with the whole "college costs a fuck ton more than it used to and it isn't giving graduates the bang for the buck"

That's because of outsourcing and offshoring and various other methods of arbitraging graduate labour rates down to Asian levels.

....Now maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you need a college education to work for Dell's customer service phone line.

But hey, all these graduates are getting offered great jobs right? I mean I personally know 2 guys I went to high school with who are big in the whole Occupy Wall Street deal, smart guys one is even IVY LEAGUE educated and yet they are effectively unemployed. I wonder why that is, and then I've had talks with them and their senses of entitlement and general bellicose nature when it comes to ANY Liberal talking point issue gives me a decent idea of why these folks aren't getting jobs.

The problem once again is a culture of entitlement and the fact that kids are going to school and so much focus is put on school and grades that outside of that life doesn't exist. These people want to get paid to go to school....so cutting the cord (so to speak) would benefit everyone. You can learn on your own time, eventually you have to PRODUCE and these kids just aren't interested in being productive. It's a sad simple fact.

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, so the money the feds spend subsidising education is mainly to help people who otherwise couldn't afford it get an education. If they took that money away how would that improve access to education?

....now this isn't my argument but I'm just going to say that the problem isn't so much with the "subsidising of higher education" as it is with the whole "college costs a fuck ton more than it used to and it isn't giving graduates the bang for the buck"

That's because of outsourcing and offshoring and various other methods of arbitraging graduate labour rates down to Asian levels.

....Now maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you need a college education to work for Dell's customer service phone line.

But hey, all these graduates are getting offered great jobs right? I mean I personally know 2 guys I went to high school with who are big in the whole Occupy Wall Street deal, smart guys one is even IVY LEAGUE educated and yet they are effectively unemployed. I wonder why that is, and then I've had talks with them and their senses of entitlement and general bellicose nature when it comes to ANY Liberal talking point issue gives me a decent idea of why these folks aren't getting jobs.

The problem once again is a culture of entitlement and the fact that kids are going to school and so much focus is put on school and grades that outside of that life doesn't exist. These people want to get paid to go to school....so cutting the cord (so to speak) would benefit everyone. You can learn on your own time, eventually you have to PRODUCE and these kids just aren't interested in being productive. It's a sad simple fact.

Exactly. There are Ivy League guys with good degrees who can't get a job now. You're making my point for me.