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Alvarez may not have fought anybody elite yet, but IMO he is the real thing. At his peak I think he'll be better than Martinez was at his own. But as most posters say this is a little bit early for him to be sure of winning this particular fight.
At this point it would still be a good fight, and while the odds are in Martinez's favour, Alvarez will not be schooled like chavez jr and has more than a big punch going for him.
I'm convinced of Canelo's combination punching and the pop on his punches. Since Rigberto Alvarez hurt him, I'm not convinced of his chin. Actions speak louder than words and Canelo has faced smaller guys for a while.
I didn't know anything about him being hurt by rigoberto. When, what happened? I saw him get hurt against Cotto, and I thought he responded well. Martinez on the other hand doesn't respond that well to being hurt. He was hurt by Chavez and I was a nervous wreck from watching him leave his chin out and not tie up his opponent. He's wasn't as bad as Ricky Hatton when hurt but still.

you are totally right about his opponents. He is virtually neck and neck with floyd mayweather in terms of numbers of professional fights but he has not made an equivalent step up in opposition. I don't think he is picking on midgets a'la donaire, but your point stands about picking opponents who he out powers. If his chin is suspect then he would struggle with martinez in the unlikely event they fight this year.

I don't think Martinez is leagues ahead of Canelo. I do think Canelo needs to improve his foot and hand speed. The main thing he gets hit by is right hands which might be because he throws his left hook a little wide.