Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
If the government didn't give grants so that smart poor kids got to go to college it'd just open up places for thick rich kids to get in. If there was an oversupply of places then the worst academic places would cut the number of places they offer. The price of tuition etc nationally would remain exactly the same. All the main colleges have a massive oversubscription every year -- they get to pick and choose who they want. That isn't going to change if the government cut all funding, they're still going to be oversubscribed. If you go to countries where the state pays for everybodys' college education you find that the cost is a fraction of US costs. Why is that? Government funding of education is one of the best things it does and it doesn't do nearly enough of it. If I hadn't got government funding for my education I'd be a builder and my kids would have gone to the local state school with the expectation of being builders when they grew up.

Look mate, Ron Paul and the other fruit loop are so extreme that even GOP primary voters the most conservative group of voters you can find in America, completely reject them. Anybody campaigning on a platform of ending social security and medicare is going to lose 48 states. That's just a fact. I know it's difficult for you to accept that you're in a tiny minority but you are.
Do you understand Libertarianism? I'm not being mean or condescending (unlike some people Kirkland). The part I bolded just doesn't make sense because on SOME issues yes Paul & Johnson are very conservative but on other issues they are extremely liberal, they also try to divorce themselves from pandering to the Evangelicals which IMO is the big reason they get 0 traction in the party. These guys are more Goldwater style candidates but with a few exceptions: they want isolationism (that's impossible, but hey whatever that's what they want), they want to bring 100% of the troops overseas home and close down military bases the world over, and they want to end the war on drugs. Some of the things they want to do are common sense, other things are a bit out there. I would vote for them if they were the main opposition to Obama but they aren't so I'm not worried about them this time. I'd rather have a choice between a Republican and a Libertarian than a Democrat and Republican because quite frankly Democrats are idealists and they want a permenant lower class.

As for education, I went to public school, I went to state university, and I can tell you they are both breeding grounds for LIBERAL thinking....not thinking in general, they are specifically liberal. The teachers they hire are liberal, the way they teach is liberal, and what does it get us? Smart kids? Test scores don't show that. Can our kids think on their own? Nope. Our kids are being taught to do exactly what was said in the movie 'Office Space': "just enough not to get fired"....permenant underclass, that's what the liberals want, that and some bookworms that want to get paid to go to school.