Thomas Dulorme vs. Luis Carlos Abregu Saturday night fight/chat thread

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I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

[TitoFan]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

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Just wanted to add to this thread: HBO will likely add some sort of tribute paying final respect to Emmanuel Steward during this card Saturday night, it will be worth watching.

[Mars_ax]

Just wanted to add to this thread: HBO will likely add some sort of tribute paying final respect to Emmanuel Steward during this card Saturday night, it will be worth watching.

The HBO BAD card begins @ 10:15 PM ET tonight here in the States or about 3:15 AM Sunday morning for you night owls in the UK.

[Violent Demise]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

[TitoFan]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

[Violent Demise]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

I be knowing about all prospects. Don't matter where they from. If they lace up the gloves and get in the ring I will watch and study them. I can't hold the fact if there Puerto Rican against them. It's not like they had a choice. I agree on Ortiz. Verdejo not as much. You right. The rest are garbage. I'll tell you who to keep an eye on. A youngster named Jose Lopez. Calls himself Wonder Boy, I think. Only 18 years old. He's fought on some of the same cards as Braulio Santos. I was able to see a promotor's copy of some of his fights. He's only faced bums. But he seems advanced for his age. So far that is.

[TitoFan]

I'm more familiar with some than others... but my personal favorites are the Arroyo twins. McWilliams more than McJoe. But yeah... they need to step up in class of opponent. I think McWilliams is championship material. Jonathan Gonzalez (flyweight) is awesome, in my opinion. A lot of potential there. I'm not down on Cesar Seda. He lost to Omar Narvaez, but has since bounced back. Luis Cruz disappointed me in his loss to Burgos and yeah... I see nothing there, unfortunately. I see nothing in his style that would allow him to go far. And I've never been a big believer in Carlos Negron. It would be nice to have a good P.R. heavyweight.... but Carlos has always looked a bit chinny to me. Too lanky and chinny to compete at the elite level.

Who's considered the better prospect out of Camilo Perez, Braulio Santos and Miguel Soto

Well... they're all very popular locally. But I'd have to say Braulio, with Camilo not far behind. Braulio has scary power, and carries himself well. Camilo I'd say has deceptive power, not to be dismissed... but more than that, he moves around the ring pretty well. Soto is very popular with local crowds, but I'm not sure he's considered a "can't miss" prospect.

Can't miss must not mean what it use to mean considering so many have been missing (Negron is gonna get murdered fighting as a heavyweight). And more will follow. I know Jose Pedraza has that Olympic hype behind him. But he hasn't looked all that impressve in recent fights. His power seems to be just average. Abner Cotto is just living off Jose Cotto's name. He's not good enough to deserve to live off Miguel's name. Jayson Velez and Jose Gonzalez are no better than the Junior Middlewight Jonathan Gonzalez. Who I don't think much of at all. Before all this pointless "hate" talk starts, I think very highly of the little Jonathan Gonzalez. And I been intrigued by Jorge Maysonet and Jeffrey Fontanez. Maysonet in paticular has my interest

Ok, let's replace "can't miss" with "good chance to be fighting for a title in the future." With that being said, I would apply that label to both Braulio Santos and Camilo Perez. By the way, I'm in full agreement with Maysonet. The youngster doesn't have many rounds under his belt yet... but he looks extremely sharp. Good power... good ring movement... and no sign of a weak chin yet. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised at your knowledge of these young Puerto Rican prospects.

Of the latest Olympic crop, I'd be interested in seeing how Jantony Ortiz and Felix Verdejo will fare as professionals. The others I'm not too excited about.

I be knowing about all prospects. Don't matter where they from. If they lace up the gloves and get in the ring I will watch and study them. I can't hold the fact if there Puerto Rican against them. It's not like they had a choice. I agree on Ortiz. Verdejo not as much. You right. The rest are garbage. I'll tell you who to keep an eye on. A youngster named Jose Lopez. Calls himself Wonder Boy, I think. Only 18 years old. He's fought on some of the same cards as Braulio Santos. I was able to see a promotor's copy of some of his fights. He's only faced bums. But he seems advanced for his age. So far that is.

That would be "they're Puerto Rican". But cool.... for a racist you do have some knowledge on boxing prospects. Even for a Mexican. But I'll check on Jose Lopez, 'cause to tell the truth I've never heard of him till now.

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Oct. 27
At Verona, N.Y. (HBO): Thomas Dulorme vs. Luis Carlos Abregu, 10 rounds, welterweights; Miguel Vazquez vs. Marvin Quintero, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Mauricio Herrera vs. Karim Mayfield, 10 rounds, junior welterweights.

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Why the fuck can't I view the second page of this thread?

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Up next, Mauricio Herrera vs. Karim Mayfield, 10 rounds, junior welterweights. Mayfield talks the talk, can he walk the walk?