Prime jones....

[Dark Lord Al]

Jones beat an unbeaten James Toney , that in itself is a fantastic win.

Jones did fight some crap fighters but not to the extent of Calzaghe, who used to read the obituary pages to find his next opponant.

[generalbulldog]

Prime Jones was something special. He just toyed with his opponents. I would say the same thing with a prime Whitaker. If you think about it, no one beat them in their prime. And I'm talking about convincingly, not something like a DQ or controversial decision which happened to both.

[Master]

Agreed no one beats a prime RJJ at that time but he was not adored by all and even fans boycotted his fights because he did take the easy options some of the time. He could have taken on Dariusz Michalczewski in Germany and beaten him.

Prime Foster at light heavy and Spinks may have beaten him too.

[Andre]

Everything is maybes.
Most fighters have their careers dotted with easy fights I cant think of many that havent got them in there, thats the business.
Roy wasnt a traditional tight fighter he was an exiting fast draw gunslinger with dancers feet that put him into position and made him seem faster.
This riles traditional boxers,and it shows in the ring cause they loose the plot. Same goes for the spoilers and for others who fight in a style that is out of the traditional mold.
Its something you wont get away with unless you are in your zone and at 100%.

[IamInuit]

Why do ppl scoff whenever u match PRIME jones up against anyone? Ppl act like u just suggested the world was actually flat when daring to suggest he would struggle with anyone! Never made sense to me because he was actually quite untested....

Dariusz, Eubank, Liles, Nunn, Calzaghe, Mclellan, Benn, Collins, Rochigianni, Maske, Jirov, Julian Jackson etc

Exceptional fighter yes but clearly a cherry picker. Bryd would have been an interesting fight @ HW rather than Ruiz who was taylor made for a style like jones'...So Sorry but if he had of fought all of the above he would have been beaten sooner IMO. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise no matter how much u idolise him!

Lots of accusations there with little or no evidence to support them? I guess some of the scoffing is due to how many from the extreme hater support group go on about claims against him. Claims are not facts.

People forget what Jones was like at 160 and 168 because he never stayed all that long.
It was as if the man came from a different planet. I call it the third eye syndrome. Barry Sanders had it and so did Gretzky and Jordon. Jones had one of the best jabs in boxing at the time and never even needed to use it. That’s insane. The only time he even showed it was when he toyed with Vinny. Thats how good he was. He never needed the most fundamental punch in the sport. Oh and I'll be the first to say that when the wheels fell off the really fell off and that showed immediately to me right after Ruiz. And btw if Ruiz was hand picked and tailor made for Roy then what was Maher against Fitzsimmons? That other x mid that won hev tin. Roy was not going to fight Lewis.

Your assertions generally read like dogma and not debate. Its clear you don't like him.

Dariusz 175. He was as unwilling to travel to the States to fight Jones as Jones was to travel to Germany. Simple as that. Michalczewski would have thought he was fighting a crowd. Jones by dissection.

Eubank.168 Nah Chris was ending his career at 168 when Jones was fully entrenched at 175. Look at the calendar. He also could have made the trip when they were at the same weight. Takes two.

Liles. 168. Again he was getting knocked out by Mitchell and fighting his second last fight in 1999 at 168. Jones was already at 175 for three years having smoked the body snatcher and demolished Griffin twice along with a body shot ending of Hill that made my own bones crack.

Nunn.168 Busted for coke in 2002. He lost to Liles and the wrecker Steve Little and is one of the most overrated fighters in boxing history because of Toney. Like Jones would allow him to set up. Jones by slaughter.

Calzaghe 168. Another classic. Give me the year that a prime 168 Calzaghe could have met a prime 168 Jones? If it was mathematically possible, again I see Jones by ud and imo the only man that could have beaten Joe at that weight in modern times.

McClellan 168. Again I suppose this fight could have happened in the early 90’s at 160 but Gerald would not have been on Roy’s radar and he was rapidly leaving the division after Hopkins and would have also been whipping Toney at the same time at 168. Although Gerald fought a few times early in his career, he never did anything there and when he did jump up to face Benn he was retired. There was simply no reason for Jones to even entertain that fight.

Benn 160/168.Could have happened I suppose at either weight as both men were moving along and up to 168 at around the same time however once again and just as was the case with Eubank and Dariusz neither party was keen on going to the others backyard. As tough and hard as Nigel was, I just don’t see that fight going well for him and perhaps they knew it.

Collins 168. That’s actually a fight I really wanted to see. Trouble is if I remember correctly it never even came up outside of some announcers and once again neither would have wanted to travel imo. Just cant see him winning.

Its worth noting that the same issue, (travel) prevents all kinds of fights from happening today. Everybody is worried about getting jobbed in another country.

Rochigianni 168/175. Not even in Roy’s league and another guy like the one who follows him on your list who never fought outside of Germany. Roy would have toyed with him.

Maske 175. Oh sure he went undefeated beating Graciano twice but who else did he fight? When he finally stepped up and fought Virgil Hill he lost and then retired. Speed kills and just like Dariusz, Henry would have thought he was fighting more then one guy.

Jirov? At what weight and when?

Jackson. This must have been your attempt at comedy. A career Jr middle who was not the same fighter at 160 and again Jones was long gone up in weight at a time when they could have possibly met. Jackson would have had no chance against Roy at 160.

Where Jones is concerned its one of these classic scenarios where he is being viewed today as if that was him back then. His last mistakes are being compounded with interest.

Who do I think could have beaten Jones?

160. Maybe Greb, Burley, Langford or Robinson. Modern day? Perhaps the Leonard that beat Hagler.
168. Same 4 and yes I know none of them actually campaigned at that weight officially. I'd also add a young Ezzard Charles. Modern day? I think Joe if the timing was on would have been a tough fight and Chris as well. Steves grit could have also proved interesting.
175. Charles and Spinks and that's about it.

[Gandalf]

I think that prime Jones Jr. is largely a myth too. His resume was nothing special and his only truly significant wins were over a massively dehydrated Toney and a green Hopkins. A lot of truly terrible cherry picking and if you pick and choose then you are bound to look spectacular. Don't get me wrong, Jones was very good, but he avoided testing that fight in fight out. His chin has likely always been suspect, but taxi drivers are not known as kryponite. Calzaghe would always have beaten Jones Jr. That would actually have been very fun, their eventual matchup was a whitewash travesty. Asides from that KD, Jones was schooled. But hey, if Toney can be weightdrained, then I can excuse Jones Jr. for being half shot.

[Fenster]

Hopkins being "green" is an even bigger myth. That nonsense was peddled out because most fans thought Hopkins started boxing in prison. He didn't. He had around 100 amatuer fights before he was locked up. He won junior titles.

Toney's "weight drain" is just a typical bullshit excuse too. Toney was greatly successful before and after losing to Roy. "Oh but he was terribly disadvantaged the night Roy whooped him."

Both Hopkins and Toney were great fighters. They lost against a man who, during his pomp, was even greater than them. Simple as that.

[imp]

I think that prime Jones Jr. is largely a myth too. His resume was nothing special and his only truly significant wins were over a massively dehydrated Toney and a green Hopkins. A lot of truly terrible cherry picking and if you pick and choose then you are bound to look spectacular. Don't get me wrong, Jones was very good, but he avoided testing that fight in fight out. His chin has likely always been suspect, but taxi drivers are not known as kryponite. Calzaghe would always have beaten Jones Jr. That would actually have been very fun, their eventual matchup was a whitewash travesty. Asides from that KD, Jones was schooled. But hey, if Toney can be weightdrained, then I can excuse Jones Jr. for being half shot.

People will find an excuse for anything. Toney and hopkins have said in the past that their only real losses they felt were against roy jones.
Jones is special and a true pound for pound.

[Beanflicker]

He could have taken on Dariusz Michalczewski in Germany and beaten him.

True, but can you blame Roy for not going over there?

Roy was the champ, the undisputed #1, why should he go to Dariusz' home turf and risk a Sven Ottke-esque hometown decision?

I have to scoff at people who said he should have went to Germany, or England, or wherever to fight someone.

Roy was the #1 p4p, people should be coming to him, not the other way around.

[Althugz]

I think that prime Jones Jr. is largely a myth too. His resume was nothing special and his only truly significant wins were over a massively dehydrated Toney and a green Hopkins. A lot of truly terrible cherry picking and if you pick and choose then you are bound to look spectacular. Don't get me wrong, Jones was very good, but he avoided testing that fight in fight out. His chin has likely always been suspect, but taxi drivers are not known as kryponite. Calzaghe would always have beaten Jones Jr. That would actually have been very fun, their eventual matchup was a whitewash travesty. Asides from that KD, Jones was schooled. But hey, if Toney can be weightdrained, then I can excuse Jones Jr. for being half shot.

Come on Miles, I know you don't believe that lol
Yes, Jones had bums on his resume
Yes, he was still a once in a lifetime fighter.
Fuck NO, Calzaghe would not have beat him. I do agree though that it would have been a lot more fun in their primes.

[Dia bando]

I think that prime Jones Jr. is largely a myth too. His resume was nothing special and his only truly significant wins were over a massively dehydrated Toney and a green Hopkins. A lot of truly terrible cherry picking and if you pick and choose then you are bound to look spectacular. Don't get me wrong, Jones was very good, but he avoided testing that fight in fight out. His chin has likely always been suspect, but taxi drivers are not known as kryponite. Calzaghe would always have beaten Jones Jr. That would actually have been very fun, their eventual matchup was a whitewash travesty. Asides from that KD, Jones was schooled. But hey, if Toney can be weightdrained, then I can excuse Jones Jr. for being half shot.

Come on Miles, I know you don't believe that lol
Yes, Jones had bums on his resume
Yes, he was still a once in a lifetime fighter.
Fuck NO, Calzaghe would not have beat him. I do agree though that it would have been a lot more fun in their primes.

But he did beat RJJ, keep on taking the tablets.

[imp]

He beat a past it, old crap jones and still got knocked down in the process!
JC being undefeated has caused him more trouble than good.

[brocktonblockbust]

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[Master]

Brock, you should not smoke it is bad for you.

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock, you should not smoke it is bad for you.

paıd 20,000 korean won for that fuckıng thıng ın Fall 2011---never smnoked ıt
then last week re-humıdıfıed ıt wıth a damp paper--
fıgured ı better not waste 20 dollars and torched ıt up.
marked ıt ın hıstorıcai tıme wıth thıs vıdeo.
Prob wont smoke another for several months. throat was ırrıtated next 2 days.