Romney vs. BO - Saddo's kids race mongering thread

[Kirkland Laing]

And now a word from the Christian Men's Defense Network:

What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections | Christian Men's Defense Network

I was too late, the guy has made it private. What they don't get about elections is demographics. Like that Senator said a while ago, there aren't enough angry white guys to make the GOP a viable long term proposition. They're going to have to at a minimum support an immigration reform that Hispanics will vote for when Obama sets one in motion sometime in the next two years, but supporting it will make the GOP base melt down. They're between a rock and a hard place. Decades of bashing minorities to win the majority vote is coming back to bite then in the arse and there's nothing they can do about it.

[Youngblood]

And now a word from the Christian Men's Defense Network:

What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections | Christian Men's Defense Network

I was too late, the guy has made it private. What they don't get about elections is demographics. Like that Senator said a while ago, there aren't enough angry white guys to make the GOP a viable long term proposition. They're going to have to at a minimum support an immigration reform that Hispanics will vote for when Obama sets one in motion sometime in the next two years, but supporting it will make the GOP base melt down. They're between a rock and a hard place. Decades of bashing minorities to win the majority vote is coming back to bite then in the arse and there's nothing they can do about it.

Shame, because it was pretty great. VC covered the gist of it.

Beyond the hahalarious stuff yesterday that was far and wide, my takeaway from pundits on the right kind of went like this.

1. "Yea, we got it all wrong. Time to stop with the rapey, boo minorities, lolwoman and rights stuff. Make a new plan."

or

2. We got screwed by all of number 1.


I guess time will tell which way it goes, but they for sure have some hard work and soul searching to do.

[Kirkland Laing]

And now a word from the Christian Men's Defense Network:

What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections | Christian Men's Defense Network

I was too late, the guy has made it private. What they don't get about elections is demographics. Like that Senator said a while ago, there aren't enough angry white guys to make the GOP a viable long term proposition. They're going to have to at a minimum support an immigration reform that Hispanics will vote for when Obama sets one in motion sometime in the next two years, but supporting it will make the GOP base melt down. They're between a rock and a hard place. Decades of bashing minorities to win the majority vote is coming back to bite then in the arse and there's nothing they can do about it.

Shame, because it was pretty great. VC covered the gist of it.

Beyond the hahalarious stuff yesterday that was far and wide, my takeaway from pundits on the right kind of went like this.

1. "Yea, we got it all wrong. Time to stop with the rapey, boo minorities, lolwoman and rights stuff. Make a new plan."

or

2. We got screwed by all of number 1.


I guess time will tell which way it goes, but they for sure have some hard work and soul searching to do.

You know your party has a problem when somebody asks you "did the rape guy win?" and your answer is "which one?". Just look at Lyle's "the GOP is inclusive" post for why the GOP base is so epically clueless about why nobody wants anything to do with them.

Bush the Lesser received 54 percent of the non-Hispanic white vote in 2000 and finished in a dead heat with Al Gore. Senator McCain (R-Get Off My Lawn) got 55 percent of that vote in 2008 and lost the election by seven percentage points. If the current voting percentages among white, black, Asian and Hispanic stay the same -- and they'll get less white -- the Republican nominee will lose by 14 points in 2020.

Every four years, a new 18–22-year-old cohort arrives that is more liberal than the one that has died off in the interim and a big bunch of mainly GOP oldsters cark it. The Republicans face a double peril with the youth vote. A far lower proportion of young voters are white, and those who are white are far less likely than their parents or grandparents to vote Republican. White voters over the age of 65 selected Romney by a twenty eight point margin. White voters under 30 split evenly. If they'd been facing a decent economy as they left high school/college they would have gone for Obama by 25+ points and will do for the Democrat in future.

Basically the GOP is fucked unless they reach out to every single group in the country but to do that they'll shatter their base.

[El Kabong]

#1 Blacks won't ever vote Republican the way they vote Democrat, it WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Republicans could buy each new Black GOP member a car and a Mansion and they wouldn't leave the Democrat Party that keeps as many of them as they can poor, stupid, and from broken homes. That sounds harsh but that's what years of liberal policies have done to them.

#2 I enjoy this whole discussion of "demographics" when 3 million plus people (majority white) sat on their asses and didn't vote....that would have been enough to get Romney a victory.

#3 Hispanics don't like the GOP for what reason? The stance on ILLEGAL immigration? Well if that's the case fuck them. The DREAM Act? Fuck that too....you should not be rewarded for coming to this country illegally, sorry that's a nonstarter

#4 The road to rebranding the GOP lies with winning Libertarians and not with the Evangelicals. There's plenty of people for the legalization of marijuana and gay marraige and so on (at the very least at the state level), there are plenty of votes to be had from the "isolationists" as well but the key argument is saying States should have the right to pick and choose what they want on their own whether it's pot or healthcare those decisions should be made at the state level.

#5 The GOP is diverse but I guess the following people "don't count" as minorities: Condalezza Rice, Mia Love, Allen West, Herman Cain, Marco Rubio, Artur Davis, J.C. Watt, Peter Boulware, Alberto Gonzales, Susana Martinez, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Hailey, etc....they just aren't "ethnic enough" I guess

[Youngblood]

#5 The GOP is diverse but I guess the following people "don't count" as minorities: Condalezza Rice, Mia Love, Allen West, Herman Cain, Marco Rubio, Artur Davis, J.C. Watt, Peter Boulware, Alberto Gonzales, Susana Martinez, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Hailey, etc....they just aren't "ethnic enough" I guess

LOL Herman Cain

GOP civil war: Herman Cain calls for third party - Salon.com

[El Kabong]

#5 The GOP is diverse but I guess the following people "don't count" as minorities: Condalezza Rice, Mia Love, Allen West, Herman Cain, Marco Rubio, Artur Davis, J.C. Watt, Peter Boulware, Alberto Gonzales, Susana Martinez, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Hailey, etc....they just aren't "ethnic enough" I guess

LOL Herman Cain

GOP civil war: Herman Cain calls for third party - Salon.com

Like I said.....I guess Conservative minorities just don't count

[Youngblood]

Lyle, tomorrow Florida will be announced and that will make it a 332-206 margin of victory. And while yes it is seemingly closer in the popular vote sense, for the next 2 elections it will still be counted by electorate. In a nation that will be growing only population areas that now support the Democrats, if you don't see there might be a need for broad change, not sure what to say.

[VictorCharlie]

I'm not sure what you mean by growing population areas that now only support dems but if you mean Hispanics I think that is counting eggs before they are hatched. W pulled something like 40% of their vote. Culturally Hispanics tend to be religious, family oriented and socially conservative. The GOP can probably make inroads with those communities with a good comprehensive immigration plan. If they are smart they get out in front of the Pres on this but they will probably fuck that all up. Their smaller gov't message should be more tailored towards a 10th amendment issue. If you want cradle to grave nanny state you can have it but at the state not federal level. On social issues they need to stop talking about gay people and go with the public union for all and leave marriage to religious institutes. On abortion they should state they do not see an overturn of Roe v Wade but are against tax dollars for abortion. While I don't see our debt/deficit as a revenue issue they have lost the war of messaging. It easy to play class warfare with the tax the rich mantra so they have to dump Norquist. Taxes come and go but real spending cuts are hard to come by. Give up the top marginal rate cuts but make the Dems pay through the nose in cuts. On foreign policy they probably can stay on message b/c the Dems are just as hawkish. The biggest thing that needs to happen is at the very least silence the religious right. They can still be effective as strong conservatives in the financial/govt size arena but on every thing else they need move center and better tailor the message.

[Youngblood]

I'm not sure what you mean by growing population areas that now only support dems but if you mean Hispanics I think that is counting eggs before they are hatched. W pulled something like 40% of their vote. Culturally Hispanics tend to be religious, family oriented and socially conservative. The GOP can probably make inroads with those communities with a good comprehensive immigration plan. If they are smart they get out in front of the Pres on this but they will probably fuck that all up. Their smaller gov't message should be more tailored towards a 10th amendment issue. If you want cradle to grave nanny state you can have it but at the state not federal level. On social issues they need to stop talking about gay people and go with the public union for all and leave marriage to religious institutes. On abortion they should state they do not see an overturn of Roe v Wade but are against tax dollars for abortion. While I don't see our debt/deficit as a revenue issue they have lost the war of messaging. It easy to play class warfare with the tax the rich mantra so they have to dump Norquist. Taxes come and go but real spending cuts are hard to come by. Give up the top marginal rate cuts but make the Dems pay through the nose in cuts. On foreign policy they probably can stay on message b/c the Dems are just as hawkish. The biggest thing that needs to happen is at the very least silence the religious right. They can still be effective as strong conservatives in the financial/govt size arena but on every thing else they need move center and better tailor the message.

I agree with pretty much all of that, from anything I've read and learned in the last few months of reading. My question, how possible is it all? Norquist, getting past that whole deal? I understand the act in principle and concept of taxation with it, but the unyielding pledge, sign it or else. How can they/is it possible to silence the religious right without them turning it into some kind of party war? I do think they need to start courting the black vote, and certainly the latinos, even if the black vote might not show strong yields right away, but surely they have to start looking at the long game soon? I mean, abortion obv if they want to keep their religious vote, but again, will they really just take it lying down...stay quiet or w/e or accept a rebranding of the message?