Prime jones....

[brocktonblockbust]

jones would smoke patterson ın about 4 rounds. quıck left hook ınsıde. lıghts out.

[El Kabong]

You say he got knocked down like it's a big deal? He got back up straight away and wasn't at all hurt. Roy caught him with his forearm.

The bottom line is Roy never fought anyone like Calzaghe. No one with the work ethic, hand speed and boxing brains that Joe had. So you can hardly shoot down Joe's chances because Roy beat a bunch of fighters who weren't Joe Calzaghe.

No fact just speculation.

Yes it was a "big deal" because RJJ was so far gone nobody expected that to happen.

I shoot down Joe's chances because RJJ was one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen in my life. It's not that Calzaghe sucks or whatever, he was a great fighter, but this is like saying Ali vs Tyson and it's just as simple to predict it's RJJ all day everyday over Calzaghe just like Ali never loses to Tyson.

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A prime tyson vs a prime ali.?
Im sure tyson would smoke a prime frazier and etc. I wouldnt count a prime tyson out over anyone as much i like ali he gotta dance his toes off for three rounds.

[El Kabong]

A prime tyson vs a prime ali.?
Im sure tyson would smoke a prime frazier and etc. I wouldnt count a prime tyson out over anyone as much i like ali he gotta dance his toes off for three rounds.

.....Ali fought Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson and George Foreman and had no trouble with any of them. So that's the style, attitude, quick hands, and punching power of Mike Tyson right there and Ali stopped them all.....easily

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A prime tyson vs a prime ali.?
Im sure tyson would smoke a prime frazier and etc. I wouldnt count a prime tyson out over anyone as much i like ali he gotta dance his toes off for three rounds.

.....Ali fought Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson and George Foreman and had no trouble with any of them. So that's the style, attitude, quick hands, and punching power of Mike Tyson right there and Ali stopped them all.....easily

Im not saying ali wouldnt beat a prime tyson i just think perhaps another comparison would be suitable when comparing RJJ owning JC.
Tyson is short compared to the heavyweights he faced but he demolished all through speed, power and ridiculous head movement. (Perhaps alittle fear from the opposition as well?)
Tyson stands alone as an awesome machine that would compete in any era.

[El Kabong]

A prime tyson vs a prime ali.?
Im sure tyson would smoke a prime frazier and etc. I wouldnt count a prime tyson out over anyone as much i like ali he gotta dance his toes off for three rounds.

.....Ali fought Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson and George Foreman and had no trouble with any of them. So that's the style, attitude, quick hands, and punching power of Mike Tyson right there and Ali stopped them all.....easily

Im not saying ali wouldnt beat a prime tyson i just think perhaps another comparison would be suitable when comparing RJJ owning JC.
Tyson is short compared to the heavyweights he faced but he demolished all through speed, power and ridiculous head movement. (Perhaps alittle fear from the opposition as well?)
Tyson stands alone as an awesome machine that would compete in any era.

The point I'm trying to make is I respect Joe Calzaghe, he was a great fighter but RJJ was light years ahead of him. That is why I used the Ali-Tyson reference because as great as Tyson was he would never beat a Prime Ali.

So I was attempting to prove my point and be respectful at the same time.

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A prime tyson vs a prime ali.?
Im sure tyson would smoke a prime frazier and etc. I wouldnt count a prime tyson out over anyone as much i like ali he gotta dance his toes off for three rounds.

.....Ali fought Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson and George Foreman and had no trouble with any of them. So that's the style, attitude, quick hands, and punching power of Mike Tyson right there and Ali stopped them all.....easily

Im not saying ali wouldnt beat a prime tyson i just think perhaps another comparison would be suitable when comparing RJJ owning JC.
Tyson is short compared to the heavyweights he faced but he demolished all through speed, power and ridiculous head movement. (Perhaps alittle fear from the opposition as well?)
Tyson stands alone as an awesome machine that would compete in any era.

The point I'm trying to make is I respect Joe Calzaghe, he was a great fighter but RJJ was light years ahead of him. That is why I used the Ali-Tyson reference because as great as Tyson was he would never beat a Prime Ali.

So I was attempting to prove my point and be respectful at the same time.

Ok cool.

[IamInuit]

I don't think that its a given that Ali beats a prime Tyson because he beat Liston or Foreman because Tyson fought nothing like either of them. I think the prime mid eighties Tyson beats both of those guys and believe me I was never a fan of Mike Tyson. Tyson had some of the best footwork of any hev I have ever seen for a crunching stalker and was extremely fast and compact with both hands along with Langford like power from either side. In addition I do not recall better head movement by a heavyweight in boxing history. Both Cooper and Frazier landed a hook that came from the parking lot and dropped him. As good a chin as Ali had, its simply not a given that he could withstand the onslaught.

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The first 3-4 rounds would be very risky for ali. Thats why i was not totally convinced it would be a walk in the park for ali.

[mattboxingfan]

You say he got knocked down like it's a big deal? He got back up straight away and wasn't at all hurt. Roy caught him with his forearm.

The bottom line is Roy never fought anyone like Calzaghe. No one with the work ethic, hand speed and boxing brains that Joe had. So you can hardly shoot down Joe's chances because Roy beat a bunch of fighters who weren't Joe Calzaghe.

No fact just speculation.

Yes it was a "big deal" because RJJ was so far gone nobody expected that to happen.

I shoot down Joe's chances because RJJ was one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen in my life. It's not that Calzaghe sucks or whatever, he was a great fighter, but this is like saying Ali vs Tyson and it's just as simple to predict it's RJJ all day everyday over Calzaghe just like Ali never loses to Tyson.

Getting knocked down with an illegal shot doesn't take anything away from Joe's win nor does it mean a prime Jones demolishes Joe just because old Jones dropped him (illegally)

Calzaghe would give him problems like I said Jones would have to work harder than he ever has had to in a fight to keep up with Joe's work rate.

Ali vs Tyson is a whole different can of worms..

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You say he got knocked down like it's a big deal? He got back up straight away and wasn't at all hurt. Roy caught him with his forearm.

The bottom line is Roy never fought anyone like Calzaghe. No one with the work ethic, hand speed and boxing brains that Joe had. So you can hardly shoot down Joe's chances because Roy beat a bunch of fighters who weren't Joe Calzaghe.

No fact just speculation.

Yes it was a "big deal" because RJJ was so far gone nobody expected that to happen.

I shoot down Joe's chances because RJJ was one of the greatest fighters I've ever seen in my life. It's not that Calzaghe sucks or whatever, he was a great fighter, but this is like saying Ali vs Tyson and it's just as simple to predict it's RJJ all day everyday over Calzaghe just like Ali never loses to Tyson.

Getting knocked down with an illegal shot doesn't take anything away from Joe's win nor does it mean a prime Jones demolishes Joe just because old Jones dropped him (illegally)

Calzaghe would give him problems like I said Jones would have to work harder than he ever has had to in a fight to keep up with Joe's work rate.

Ali vs Tyson is a whole different can of worms..

On paper it looks like JC would cause RJ big problems with his fast flurries but RJ has the quickest hands in the business.
Counterpunching plays a big part of this fight and roys double combo uppercuts are amazing!
RJ is just toooo much for JC.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Jones beat Hopkins and Toney who are both better fighters than anyone mentioned in the OP.

Bullshit! What did toney do at SMW? Beat Henry Maske victim Iran Barkley (who was fluctuating between 160-175lbs at that point!) and lost to Jones jr! Plus he was having serious weight shredding issues for the jones fight!

He then moved up to a more comfortable weight (LHW) and lost to Thadzi and griffin too! I would pick a shit load of the names mentioned in the O.P over toney! Toney was a great fighter but he was beateable...After the Jones fight Toney didn't pick up a serious win until Jirov in 03 @ CW! (Probably roided to fuck!) Toney wasn't really much better than tiny Montel Griffin mate....Sorry.

As for the Bhop win...Hopkin's was not the fighter he would go onto become vs jones! He was struggling with the likes of Segunda Mercado at that point (Got dropped twice and fought to a draw!) Mercado was tooled by Liles...So stop suggesting they are better than all the names mentioned because they were not! (Certainly at the point anyway!) Hopkins was rated around #8 in the world rankings when jones beat him....

[El Kabong]

James Toney was a great fighter from 160 to cruiserweight and he even showed some promise at heavyweight. The point is RJJ toyed with him in his prime, and that's not an easy thing to do.

I don't think that its a given that Ali beats a prime Tyson because he beat Liston or Foreman because Tyson fought nothing like either of them. I think the prime mid eighties Tyson beats both of those guys and believe me I was never a fan of Mike Tyson. Tyson had some of the best footwork of any hev I have ever seen for a crunching stalker and was extremely fast and compact with both hands along with Langford like power from either side. In addition I do not recall better head movement by a heavyweight in boxing history. Both Cooper and Frazier landed a hook that came from the parking lot and dropped him. As good a chin as Ali had, its simply not a given that he could withstand the onslaught.

Foreman would rape Tyson and I'm not so certain Liston wouldn't beat him either. Floyd Patterson had the Tyson style and Ali had what trouble with him

The first 3-4 rounds would be very risky for ali. Thats why i was not totally convinced it would be a walk in the park for ali.

Ali had a hell of a chin and his legs would be the death of Tyson. Ali would have Tyson chase him and then tie Tyson up and all that would wear Iron Mike down and after 4 rounds of that Mike would be looking for a way out.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

U have no real basis to suggest this...Let's put it this way: The time frame for Jones to have beaten JC would have been shorter than the time frame Calzaghe had to beat Jones IMO! Would roy have beaten JC post ruiz or any time in the 00's in fact? I doubt it.. He struggled with Southpaw Tarver X3!

And Calzaghe was not a Gonzalez or Woods either!! Would he have beaten JC after calzaghe had outboxed the iron willed, teaque tough eubank? Interesting fight!

When JC was becoming dis-illussioned with boxing and putting in lack lustre showings vs i.e David Starie then i can easily see a jones win...But 100% Calzaghe gives jones fits! RJ himself admits it! Why don't u?

Was Calzaghe a great fighter? Yes, sure of course he was......but he was never as good as Roy Jones Jr.

I disagree. What we do know is that a 37 yr old JC tooled a 39 yr old RJ.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I stick by this post:

It's no coincidence that jones avoided every slick southpaw of his generation...Liles, Nunn and JC! Why? Look what happened when he fought southpaw tarver! I also maintain that fighting the likes of Mclellan, Michalkewski and Eubank would have shaved years off of jones prime too! The Johnson fight is evidence of that! Jones would have been beaten sooner had he stepped up more consistantly!

Sorry if it hurts your feelings.