Cleverly

[Dia bando]

I like the way Cleverly fights, he gets right to it without any deception at all.
That's the thing he will have to change as he faces better competition. Cleverly's straight ahead style is like meat and potatoes to heavy punchers and right now, I think Hopkins would treat him just like he did Pavlik. You have to agree he was taking too many head shoots from a relatively unknown fighter.
Cleverly throws plenty of punches and mixes them up well, but he has to improve his defense and let some of these guys come to him so he can counter them.
He needs to work with a different trainer or an additional trainer for a while, in my opinion.

The thing is Cleverly fights at a fast pace, Hopkins don't like to fight at no more than walking pace,
plus he's well past his best if he had one,Nathan will out work the old Hopkins, if he was to fight over
here, it would be a great fight for the fans. Speed is the key remember he has plenty, Hopkins bitching
holding and hitting, maybe 2 right hands in a round, same old Hopkins.

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

[CFH]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

Bute has a decent chin, he just has no defence. He took a million flush shots from Froch before he went down and Cleverly has nowhere near the power that Froch does.

[Glinchdogg]

Tony bellew will beat him in a rematch
I thought he won the first fight
Bellew only had 2 weeks notice
When they meet again in a couple of years
Bellew wins UD

[Dia bando]

I still don't see what the fuss is about Cleverly. He has never fought anyone who poses even a slight challenge to him and has not looked all that impressive even in many of those fights. He has little power and no defence - he'll be exposed when he starts to step up in class. He might beat a 9,000 year old Hopkins (has this fight been made?) who throws more headbutts than punches these days, but I'm not certain he will.

Maybe he could give Bute, a crack at his title,

While I'm no fan of Bute, he would destroy Cleverly.

Cleverly is approaching Bute territory in terms of his level of opposition, though Bute probably fought better competition through 25 fights.

I don't think so, Bute has no chin I have seen Cleverly box as a 16 year old, he was good then, winning
a Welsh ABA title, I've seen plenty of Champs in my time,and he's got what it takes it very rare I'm
WRONG.

Bute has a decent chin, he just has no defence. He took a million flush shots from Froch before he went down and Cleverly has nowhere near the power that Froch does.

You are wrong there, Bute is a bit like Khan on top fighter with a poor chin, Cleverly has a GOOD chin,
when he hit's them right he hurts them, his fitness and work rate are a major factor.
Nathan will out work a plodder like Hopkins, he will set a pace in a fight which his opponents don't
match. Again if Calzaghe RATE'S him you take a bit of notice, I remember him stopping a lad, from
my son's old club, in the first round, looking back he was a bit special.

[Glinchdogg]

Dia

Cleverly has got skills and is decent
Bellew has improved a lot since that fight IMO
Cant wait for the rematch

[Spicoli]

He has some talent and early on a nice workrate. But I think its a little premature to start saying he's good to upend a Hopkins or Dawson. He needs better comp, more work and maturity. Dawson may have looked like reheated dog food vs Ward but that was a world class Ward at the peak..an entirely different animal.

Nice volleys but he almost is too use to them just being there. He has spots where he'll stop and hesitate if hes feinted or a guy punches in between them and he thinks outloud. Better guys will see that and take note. He does alot of frenetic almost nervous energy...moving just for the sake of moving and showboating. That raising the hands and clowning could get him in serious trouble against a top calibur guy and I don't think he's been clocked clean on the chin yet. Walk then run.

[Freedom]

[Dia bando]

He has some talent and early on a nice workrate. But I think its a little premature to start saying he's good to upend a Hopkins or Dawson. He needs better comp, more work and maturity. Dawson may have looked like reheated dog food vs Ward but that was a world class Ward at the peak..an entirely different animal.

Nice volleys but he almost is too use to them just being there. He has spots where he'll stop and hesitate if is feinted or a guy punches in between them and thinks outloud. Better guys will see that and take note. He does alot of frenetic almost nervous energy...moving just for the sake of moving and showboating. That raising the hands and clowning could get him in serious trouble against a top calibur guy and I don't think he's been clocked clean on the chin yet. Walk then run.

Ask Calzaghe he sparred hundreds of rounds, with Nathan he rates him as a kid and a pro, simply
he's that good.

[beenKOed]

I like the way Cleverly fights, he gets right to it without any deception at all.
That's the thing he will have to change as he faces better competition. Cleverly's straight ahead style is like meat and potatoes to heavy punchers and right now, I think Hopkins would treat him just like he did Pavlik. You have to agree he was taking too many head shoots from a relatively unknown fighter.
Cleverly throws plenty of punches and mixes them up well, but he has to improve his defense and let some of these guys come to him so he can counter them.
He needs to work with a different trainer or an additional trainer for a while, in my opinion.

The thing is Cleverly fights at a fast pace, Hopkins don't like to fight at no more than walking pace,
plus he's well past his best if he had one,Nathan will out work the old Hopkins, if he was to fight over
here, it would be a great fight for the fans. Speed is the key remember he has plenty, Hopkins bitching
holding and hitting, maybe 2 right hands in a round, same old Hopkins.

Good point about the volume of punches and pressure plus Hopkins isn't getting any younger. If he gets past Hopkins, What will happen when he faces Dawson?

[Dia bando]

I like the way Cleverly fights, he gets right to it without any deception at all.
That's the thing he will have to change as he faces better competition. Cleverly's straight ahead style is like meat and potatoes to heavy punchers and right now, I think Hopkins would treat him just like he did Pavlik. You have to agree he was taking too many head shoots from a relatively unknown fighter.
Cleverly throws plenty of punches and mixes them up well, but he has to improve his defense and let some of these guys come to him so he can counter them.
He needs to work with a different trainer or an additional trainer for a while, in my opinion.

The thing is Cleverly fights at a fast pace, Hopkins don't like to fight at no more than walking pace,
plus he's well past his best if he had one,Nathan will out work the old Hopkins, if he was to fight over
here, it would be a great fight for the fans. Speed is the key remember he has plenty, Hopkins bitching
holding and hitting, maybe 2 right hands in a round, same old Hopkins.

Good point about the volume of punches and pressure plus Hopkins isn't getting any younger. If he gets past Hopkins, What will happen when he faces Dawson?

Dawson was shell shocked , Ward is not a big puncher but he stopped him, Cleverly has spared hundreds of rounds with Calzaghe, who was a great champion ,that alone will be good experience
Dawson can be negative, Cleverly to win that one.

[IamInuit]

I like the way Cleverly fights, he gets right to it without any deception at all.
That's the thing he will have to change as he faces better competition. Cleverly's straight ahead style is like meat and potatoes to heavy punchers and right now, I think Hopkins would treat him just like he did Pavlik. You have to agree he was taking too many head shoots from a relatively unknown fighter.
Cleverly throws plenty of punches and mixes them up well, but he has to improve his defense and let some of these guys come to him so he can counter them.
He needs to work with a different trainer or an additional trainer for a while, in my opinion.

The thing is Cleverly fights at a fast pace, Hopkins don't like to fight at no more than walking pace,
plus he's well past his best if he had one,Nathan will out work the old Hopkins, if he was to fight over
here, it would be a great fight for the fans. Speed is the key remember he has plenty, Hopkins bitching
holding and hitting, maybe 2 right hands in a round, same old Hopkins.

Good point about the volume of punches and pressure plus Hopkins isn't getting any younger. If he gets past Hopkins, What will happen when he faces Dawson?

Dawson was shell shocked , Ward is not a big puncher but he stopped him, Cleverly has spared hundreds of rounds with Calzaghe, who was a great champion ,that alone will be good experience
Dawson can be negative, Cleverly to win that one.

In fairness to Dawson, nobody else in history save Lalonde has fought for 6 years at 175 and then had to come down to 168. It was pretty clear to me that he was totally depleted. Clev will have to wait for Dawson as the Pascal fight has now been signed for March. Perhaps Clev can make a play for the winner.