Wanna make an Ass of yourself and say Klıts can fıght lıke thıs?

[TitoFan]

What I've always said. You can say Wlad is the best and totally dominates this era and you'd be correct. You can also state that the division is weaker than at other times, and you'd also be correct. Finally, you can state that Wlad has never been truly tested... and you'd have a pretty good point. I don't believe in this "all-or-nothing" mentality when it comes to Wlad. You can give him his props... and you can point out some criticisms. It's the logical, non-fan way to look at Wlad.

Wlad has been knocked down and gotten up to win a fight. Wlad has also been cut and needed to end a fight and done so. What the fuck kind of "test" do you want the guy to pass? Give me SPECIFICS because if you're going to judge Wlad by it then I'm going to be certain you're going to judge everyone else by it too.

When Lyle? Once before the KTFO-loss triad, and then against Sam Peter??
The Sam Peter we all agree was grossly overrated and has since quietly slinked into anonymity?

How about YOU tell ME when Wlad has been fully tested by a worthy fighter?
YOU tell ME about his "Fraziers", his "Nortons" (as in Holmes-Norton).

Frankly, I'm tired of giving Wlad props that fall just a bit short of knighthood, only to have you crap all over the arguments.
I'm hardly the only one here that doesn't burn incense at the foot of Wlad's golden statue.
But I'm the only one you take issue with.
So you know what? FUCK OFF!

If it's either all or nothing with you... I'll pick nothing.
Wlad is a fukking bum.
He hasn't had an opponent yet that hasn't soiled his pants while walking to the ring.
Most of his opponents have more body fat than Shamu the killer whale.
His fights are about as exciting as an IRS audit.
He has the chin of a drugged, teenage girl.

Happy now?

[El Kabong]

When Lyle? Once before the KTFO-loss triad, and then against Sam Peter??
The Sam Peter we all agree was grossly overrated and has since quietly slinked into anonymity?

How about YOU tell ME when Wlad has been fully tested by a worthy fighter?
YOU tell ME about his "Fraziers", his "Nortons" (as in Holmes-Norton).

Frankly, I'm tired of giving Wlad props that fall just a bit short of knighthood, only to have you crap all over the arguments.
I'm hardly the only one here that doesn't burn incense at the foot of Wlad's golden statue.
But I'm the only one you take issue with.
So you know what? FUCK OFF!

If it's either all or nothing with you... I'll pick nothing.
Wlad is a fukking bum.
He hasn't had an opponent yet that hasn't soiled his pants while walking to the ring.
Most of his opponents have more body fat than Shamu the killer whale.
His fights are about as exciting as an IRS audit.
He has the chin of a drugged, teenage girl.

Happy now?

#1 Sam Peter being "overrated" is erroneous. Did Wlad or didn't Wlad get up from the knockdowns to win that fight? Don't play revisionist historian don't say that you knew all along Sam Peter was a tad overhyped because it doesn't fucking matter. Wlad got knocked down, he got back up and he won.....test passed

#2 You've not defined what the "test" is. Is it going the distance vs a durable fighter? Is it winning after a cut? Is it dealing with adversity like multiple knockdowns? If the question is has a fighter ever still been dangerous in the 12 round after fighting Wlad tooth and nail it hasn't happened because they've either been beaten into a shell or ran the entire fight trying to land 1 good punch. But as soon as you define this "test" you want Wlad to pass I'll let you know if he's done it, but don't be so purposely ambiguous and vague about it. Do I want to see Wlad have a foil to his style, someone that will truly challenge him for his title? Fuck yes I do, but if that fighter is out there Wlad hasn't come across him yet. It would be great for boxing if someone would stand and fight and not either lie down or just be a heavybag, but I can't see anyone out there like that. I heard Liakhovich gave Wlad great fights in sparring but that fight never happened and now it's too late as Sergei is washed up. A rematch vs Sanders would have been nice, never happened. Wlad has done everything he can personally do to be a great fighter, he's avenged a defeat, he's gotten up from the canvas to win, he won after being cut, the argument your pressing all has to do with the opponent and not Wlad and that's the point where I get a bit frustrated. What is Wlad supposed to do? Train half assed? Fight southpaw or with a hand behind his back?

#3 It's not "all or nothing" you @TitoFan are refusing to define your own terms and THAT irritates me you may as well say "I don't like him because....just because" you make arguments like a 4 year old.

Don't get so heated

[TitoFan]

When Lyle? Once before the KTFO-loss triad, and then against Sam Peter??
The Sam Peter we all agree was grossly overrated and has since quietly slinked into anonymity?

How about YOU tell ME when Wlad has been fully tested by a worthy fighter?
YOU tell ME about his "Fraziers", his "Nortons" (as in Holmes-Norton).

Frankly, I'm tired of giving Wlad props that fall just a bit short of knighthood, only to have you crap all over the arguments.
I'm hardly the only one here that doesn't burn incense at the foot of Wlad's golden statue.
But I'm the only one you take issue with.
So you know what? FUCK OFF!

If it's either all or nothing with you... I'll pick nothing.
Wlad is a fukking bum.
He hasn't had an opponent yet that hasn't soiled his pants while walking to the ring.
Most of his opponents have more body fat than Shamu the killer whale.
His fights are about as exciting as an IRS audit.
He has the chin of a drugged, teenage girl.

Happy now?

#1 Sam Peter being "overrated" is erroneous. Did Wlad or didn't Wlad get up from the knockdowns to win that fight? Don't play revisionist historian don't say that you knew all along Sam Peter was a tad overhyped because it doesn't fucking matter. Wlad got knocked down, he got back up and he won.....test passed

#2 You've not defined what the "test" is. Is it going the distance vs a durable fighter? Is it winning after a cut? Is it dealing with adversity like multiple knockdowns? If the question is has a fighter ever still been dangerous in the 12 round after fighting Wlad tooth and nail it hasn't happened because they've either been beaten into a shell or ran the entire fight trying to land 1 good punch. But as soon as you define this "test" you want Wlad to pass I'll let you know if he's done it, but don't be so purposely ambiguous and vague about it. Do I want to see Wlad have a foil to his style, someone that will truly challenge him for his title? Fuck yes I do, but if that fighter is out there Wlad hasn't come across him yet. It would be great for boxing if someone would stand and fight and not either lie down or just be a heavybag, but I can't see anyone out there like that. I heard Liakhovich gave Wlad great fights in sparring but that fight never happened and now it's too late as Sergei is washed up. A rematch vs Sanders would have been nice, never happened. Wlad has done everything he can personally do to be a great fighter, he's avenged a defeat, he's gotten up from the canvas to win, he won after being cut, the argument your pressing all has to do with the opponent and not Wlad and that's the point where I get a bit frustrated. What is Wlad supposed to do? Train half assed? Fight southpaw or with a hand behind his back?

#3 It's not "all or nothing" you @TitoFan are refusing to define your own terms and THAT irritates me you may as well say "I don't like him because....just because" you make arguments like a 4 year old.

Don't get so heated

test 1 (tst)
n.

1. A fight where the opponent actually shows up to attempt to win the fight, not survive 12 rounds without being separated from his senses.

2. A fight where said opponent is of credible quality, including punching power, boxing skills, reasonable chin, and a will to win at all costs.

3. A fight where that same opponent will throw caution to the wind when the situation warrants it, and puts winning the fight ahead of not getting punched in return.

4. A fight which, after it's over, a majority of boxing fans are saying something to the effect of: "Damn, wasn't that a good fight?!?"


That defined enough for you??
As I said, there's blind Wlad fans, such as yourself.
There's Wlad haters, who hate Wlad just "because".
And there's those of us who can see Wlad through clear glasses, not rose-colored ones.

Four-year olds lack objectivity. They cannot list the pros and cons of anything.
Feel free to continue fucking off.

[El Kabong]

Then since you're not 4 you can tell that those things you listed are more about Wlad's opponents and not about what he has done. Wlad can't beat the guy up and then allow the guy to come back on him....see how this is more of a critique of the division than of Wlad himself?

[TitoFan]

Then since you're not 4 you can tell that those things you listed are more about Wlad's opponents and not about what he has done. Wlad can't beat the guy up and then allow the guy to come back on him....see how this is more of a critique of the division than of Wlad himself?

Yes Lyle... but whether they're critiques of Wlad or the division itself... the end result is the same. Wlad has never truly been tested. Not to the extent that other HW greats of other eras. (See how this works?) Now... this could happen for one of two different reasons. One: Wlad is so vastly superior to any HW past or present, that the lack of competition is reflected in boring, one-sided fights. Or Two: The division is so trashy, that Wlad has no competition whatsoever. And without taking anything away from Wlad, I think it's more a function of the latter than the former. Not WLAD'S FAULT, mind you. But still a reality.

[Gandalf]

Wlad is a fair fighter in an appalling division. He has only improved as his opposition has tailed off even more. His choices of opponent are now frankly getting quite tiresome. It makes Calzaghe's run after Eubank look aweinspiring. It's easy enough to make a dozen defences if the majority are really more than a little bit shit. In other divisions people go after everyone come what may and don't have draconian contracts saying 'fight my brother, rematch with me, 2 more options on your future fights'. That is fucking cowardly and insulting. It's a surprise anyone gets in the ring with Wlad on that basis. He presents himself as a good guy, but offers slave contracts. He's a con man. He also never fought James Toney who beat Peter first time out far more convincingly than Wlad could. Wlad fighting Rahman immediately after Rahman was fucked up by Toney? Get out of here with that cherry picking. Toney was better than sodding Peter and Rahman. Ridiculous.

Wlad is fair fighter, but he is also a con artist and manipulator and will thus never go down as anything special. Watch him find some unknown who is 17-0 next. Yawn.

[Hulk]

Wlad is a fair fighter in an appalling division. He has only improved as his opposition has tailed off even more. His choices of opponent are now frankly getting quite tiresome. It makes Calzaghe's run after Eubank look aweinspiring. It's easy enough to make a dozen defences if the majority are really more than a little bit shit. In other divisions people go after everyone come what may and don't have draconian contracts saying 'fight my brother, rematch with me, 2 more options on your future fights'. That is fucking cowardly and insulting. It's a surprise anyone gets in the ring with Wlad on that basis. He presents himself as a good guy, but offers slave contracts. He's a con man. He also never fought James Toney who beat Peter first time out far more convincingly than Wlad could. Wlad fighting Rahman immediately after Rahman was fucked up by Toney? Get out of here with that cherry picking. Toney was better than sodding Peter and Rahman. Ridiculous.

Wlad is fair fighter, but he is also a con artist and manipulator and will thus never go down as anything special. Watch him find some unknown who is 17-0 next. Yawn.

Miles you will NOT let this go and I applaud you for it ! JFAT 4 Life.

Also have to agree that I have heard the contract negotiations with either Klitschko brother is said to be quite unfair and brutal.

But, when you are the top dog or top giraffe in this case, you call the shots.

[imp]

Wlad is a fair fighter in an appalling division. He has only improved as his opposition has tailed off even more. His choices of opponent are now frankly getting quite tiresome. It makes Calzaghe's run after Eubank look aweinspiring. It's easy enough to make a dozen defences if the majority are really more than a little bit shit. In other divisions people go after everyone come what may and don't have draconian contracts saying 'fight my brother, rematch with me, 2 more options on your future fights'. That is fucking cowardly and insulting. It's a surprise anyone gets in the ring with Wlad on that basis. He presents himself as a good guy, but offers slave contracts. He's a con man. He also never fought James Toney who beat Peter first time out far more convincingly than Wlad could. Wlad fighting Rahman immediately after Rahman was fucked up by Toney? Get out of here with that cherry picking. Toney was better than sodding Peter and Rahman. Ridiculous.

Wlad is fair fighter, but he is also a con artist and manipulator and will thus never go down as anything special. Watch him find some unknown who is 17-0 next. Yawn.

The first nine words of this statement pretty much sums it up^^^^

I wasnt going to bring up james toney but im glad someone did.

[TitoFan]

Wlad is a fair fighter in an appalling division. He has only improved as his opposition has tailed off even more. His choices of opponent are now frankly getting quite tiresome. It makes Calzaghe's run after Eubank look aweinspiring. It's easy enough to make a dozen defences if the majority are really more than a little bit shit. In other divisions people go after everyone come what may and don't have draconian contracts saying 'fight my brother, rematch with me, 2 more options on your future fights'. That is fucking cowardly and insulting. It's a surprise anyone gets in the ring with Wlad on that basis. He presents himself as a good guy, but offers slave contracts. He's a con man. He also never fought James Toney who beat Peter first time out far more convincingly than Wlad could. Wlad fighting Rahman immediately after Rahman was fucked up by Toney? Get out of here with that cherry picking. Toney was better than sodding Peter and Rahman. Ridiculous.

Wlad is fair fighter, but he is also a con artist and manipulator and will thus never go down as anything special. Watch him find some unknown who is 17-0 next. Yawn.

You gonna let this one go, @El Kabong?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]