Aftermath and repercussions of Obama victory

[TitoFan]

Hmmm speechless.... I like that side of you

You'd miss me after a while.

[VictorCharlie]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

[Kirkland Laing]

This would work out well for all the maker blue states whose tax money gets transferred to all those moocher red states. You could have a Confederacy of takers who'd then have to fend for themselves and a union of makers who'd be much better off.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

[El Kabong]

It wasn't too long ago that Texas had a Democrat Governor, and I wouldn't doubt that it could be turned into a Blue State with certain policies. You get more Mexicans in, you get them hooked on the government and boom they're Democrats just like that. I do think Marco Rubio will run for President in 2016 and he'll have a very good shot judging by his speech at the RNC which was very powerful and well delivered. Plus after 8 years of Obama just like after 8 years of Clinton and W the American people will grow tired of unfulfilled promises, scandal (and that will be coming, it always does), and just an over all weariness of dealing with 1 party in charge.

As for the sucession talk, I think states should have the right to leave without any military being involved because the United States is a voluntary Union and not a perpetual Union (at least it was until the War between the States). The first states that wanted to suceed were actually those in the northeast that feared the Louisiana Purchase would sap their political power, but with time those fears were put to rest. All this being said, I highly doubt the majority of any state would choose to leave this Union. A couple thousand names on a petition doesn't mean much to me.

[TitoFan]

It wasn't too long ago that Texas had a Democrat Governor, and I wouldn't doubt that it could be turned into a Blue State with certain policies. You get more Mexicans in, you get them hooked on the government and boom they're Democrats just like that. I do think Marco Rubio will run for President in 2016 and he'll have a very good shot judging by his speech at the RNC which was very powerful and well delivered. Plus after 8 years of Obama just like after 8 years of Clinton and W the American people will grow tired of unfulfilled promises, scandal (and that will be coming, it always does), and just an over all weariness of dealing with 1 party in charge.

As for the sucession talk, I think states should have the right to leave without any military being involved because the United States is a voluntary Union and not a perpetual Union (at least it was until the War between the States). The first states that wanted to suceed were actually those in the northeast that feared the Louisiana Purchase would sap their political power, but with time those fears were put to rest. All this being said, I highly doubt the majority of any state would choose to leave this Union. A couple thousand names on a petition doesn't mean much to me.

Is that why you think Mexicans risk arrest, deportation, or worse by trying to cross the border (albeit illegally) into the U.S.? To get "hooked on the government"? Is that what you think Mexicans who enter the U.S. legally are after? To get "hooked on the government"?

Wow...

[El Kabong]

....well it's worked for other minorities hasn't it Tito?

[VictorCharlie]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

I'm not sure what you think soon is. It is possible for a shift but neither you nor the author seem to be all that familiar with Mexican culture in Texas. I think to count the Hispanic vote in Texas as a foregone conclusion for the Dems is pretty ignorant. It could swing that way but once the issue of immigration is put to bed there won't be a divisve issue to leverage. If the GOP steps on their dick on immigration then they will have a serious problem on the horizon. If they are able to provide a coherent non-antagonistic message then I'd expect a return to Bush type voting numbers for the Hispanics in Texas. Culturally Hispanics in Texas are very family oriented, religious, hard working and have a strong entrepeneurship streak. These qualities aren't a gimme for either party but are similar to other GOP voting blocks.

[TitoFan]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

I'm not sure what you think soon is. It is possible for a shift but neither you nor the author seem to be all that familiar with Mexican culture in Texas. I think to count the Hispanic vote in Texas as a foregone conclusion for the Dems is pretty ignorant. It could swing that way but once the issue of immigration is put to bed there won't be a divisve issue to leverage. If the GOP steps on their dick on immigration then they will have a serious problem on the horizon. If they are able to provide a coherent non-antagonistic message then I'd expect a return to Bush type voting numbers for the Hispanics in Texas. Culturally Hispanics in Texas are very family oriented, religious, hard working and have a strong entrepeneurship streak. These qualities aren't a gimme for either party but are similar to other GOP voting blocks.

Not according to Lyle.
He says Mexicans cross the border to get "hooked on the government."

[VictorCharlie]

I spent my summers in college working construction and typically was the lone gringo on an all Mexican concrete crew. Very hard working and warm people. I don't think the American entitlement malaise kicks in until a few generations have lived here but this is in no way specific to Hispanics. I know a lot of lazy white folk that need to get off their ass and get a job.

[El Kabong]

I spent my summers in college working construction and typically was the lone gringo on an all Mexican concrete crew. Very hard working and warm people. I don't think the American entitlement malaise kicks in until a few generations have lived here but this is in no way specific to Hispanics. I know a lot of lazy white folk that need to get off their ass and get a job.

100% agreed with that. This "entitlement malaise" is a state of mind & a state of being not a color of skin. I know plenty of worthless white people...not to point fingers or anything but they seem to all vote Democrat (or wish to vote Socialist, yes that's what they want) for some reason or another.

I have worked with legals and illegals before, they are people just like anyone else (and sure you can feel free to take that out of context if you like). They can be good, bad, indifferent, hardworking or lazy, but once you get the idea that you can vote yourself "free stuff" its difficult to break that habit. And the Republicans aren't offering "free stuff", they offer opportunity and that's what America was built on.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

I'm not sure what you think soon is. It is possible for a shift but neither you nor the author seem to be all that familiar with Mexican culture in Texas. I think to count the Hispanic vote in Texas as a foregone conclusion for the Dems is pretty ignorant. It could swing that way but once the issue of immigration is put to bed there won't be a divisve issue to leverage. If the GOP steps on their dick on immigration then they will have a serious problem on the horizon. If they are able to provide a coherent non-antagonistic message then I'd expect a return to Bush type voting numbers for the Hispanics in Texas. Culturally Hispanics in Texas are very family oriented, religious, hard working and have a strong entrepeneurship streak. These qualities aren't a gimme for either party but are similar to other GOP voting blocks.

It's not me and it's not the author, it's top GOP officials in Texas who are saying this. They're saying it's a foregone conclusion. I'm sure you read the article. I know Lyle didn't as it contains a lot more than 140 characters. There's also this, by a Texas newspaper that says Democrats are currently shaving five and a half points off the Republican majority every four years and will win by 2024.

Exclusive analysis: If trends hold, Texas will be a toss-up state by 2024 | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

Jeb Bush says Texas will be a blue state in four years. That's obviously going to make a huge difference at national level but also at state level as Tejanos vote for better local services and tax increases to pay for them. ¿As a Tejano, how does that make you feel? ¿Would you think about moving to another state?

[Kirkland Laing]

Anyway, Texas and all of the southern states will be voting Democratic in the next presidential election. We're going to fix it so that the GOP can't get back in and fuck the economy up ever again.

[VictorCharlie]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

I'm not sure what you think soon is. It is possible for a shift but neither you nor the author seem to be all that familiar with Mexican culture in Texas. I think to count the Hispanic vote in Texas as a foregone conclusion for the Dems is pretty ignorant. It could swing that way but once the issue of immigration is put to bed there won't be a divisve issue to leverage. If the GOP steps on their dick on immigration then they will have a serious problem on the horizon. If they are able to provide a coherent non-antagonistic message then I'd expect a return to Bush type voting numbers for the Hispanics in Texas. Culturally Hispanics in Texas are very family oriented, religious, hard working and have a strong entrepeneurship streak. These qualities aren't a gimme for either party but are similar to other GOP voting blocks.

It's not me and it's not the author, it's top GOP officials in Texas who are saying this. They're saying it's a foregone conclusion. I'm sure you read the article. I know Lyle didn't as it contains a lot more than 140 characters. There's also this, by a Texas newspaper that says Democrats are currently shaving five and a half points off the Republican majority every four years and will win by 2024.

Exclusive analysis: If trends hold, Texas will be a toss-up state by 2024 | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

Jeb Bush says Texas will be a blue state in four years. That's obviously going to make a huge difference at national level but also at state level as Tejanos vote for better local services and tax increases to pay for them. ¿As a Tejano, how does that make you feel? ¿Would you think about moving to another state?

I think that Cruz and the like are doing a lot of handwringing over the election. Who cares what Jeb Bush thinks either? How is he an authority on Texas voting. The guy has nothign to do with politics in Texas. I think the Texas GOP see the importance in not antagonizing our Hispanic population and are vastly overstating the issue in hopes to change the message. I think Dems in Texas a getting excited that possibly they won't be a complete after thought in the Lone Star state and want to promote some marginal gains. I seriously doubt that Texas votes blue in 2016 regardless of what happens politically and even if your suggested scenario comes true I have no intention of leaving Texas (unless the Army tells me to). The best thing about Texas is we have a weak Governor and our legislation only meets every 2 years. GOP or Dem they don't get a lot of opportunity to screw things up. People here tend to be a Texan first regardless of political affiliation so even a blue Texas won't look anything like the failures you see in other blue states. I'll say it again though, you are counting your eggs before they have hatced to assume a definitive Hispanic voting block for the Dems moving forward or to assume that Texas Democrats closely resemble the national party.

[Kirkland Laing]

I think secessionist talk is silly but I don't find it surprising. As a nation we are becoming less and less homogeneous in all aspects of culture and policy while having more and more broad national policies. It seems pretty normal to me for portions of this country to feel completely disconnected from others. With people in California getting up in arms over Wisconsin labor laws, people in Pennsylvania wringing their hands over Arizona immigration laws, someone in Michigan bitching about Florida gun laws and people in Texas talking about what Bloomberg is going to ban next, what we really need is for people to mind their own damn business and for the feds to respect the 10th amendment.

There's no need to worry, even Texas is going to become Democratic soon :

Could Texas Become a Blue State? : The New Yorker

I'm not sure what you think soon is. It is possible for a shift but neither you nor the author seem to be all that familiar with Mexican culture in Texas. I think to count the Hispanic vote in Texas as a foregone conclusion for the Dems is pretty ignorant. It could swing that way but once the issue of immigration is put to bed there won't be a divisve issue to leverage. If the GOP steps on their dick on immigration then they will have a serious problem on the horizon. If they are able to provide a coherent non-antagonistic message then I'd expect a return to Bush type voting numbers for the Hispanics in Texas. Culturally Hispanics in Texas are very family oriented, religious, hard working and have a strong entrepeneurship streak. These qualities aren't a gimme for either party but are similar to other GOP voting blocks.

It's not me and it's not the author, it's top GOP officials in Texas who are saying this. They're saying it's a foregone conclusion. I'm sure you read the article. I know Lyle didn't as it contains a lot more than 140 characters. There's also this, by a Texas newspaper that says Democrats are currently shaving five and a half points off the Republican majority every four years and will win by 2024.

Exclusive analysis: If trends hold, Texas will be a toss-up state by 2024 | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog

Jeb Bush says Texas will be a blue state in four years. That's obviously going to make a huge difference at national level but also at state level as Tejanos vote for better local services and tax increases to pay for them. ¿As a Tejano, how does that make you feel? ¿Would you think about moving to another state?

I think that Cruz and the like are doing a lot of handwringing over the election. Who cares what Jeb Bush thinks either? How is he an authority on Texas voting. The guy has nothign to do with politics in Texas. I think the Texas GOP see the importance in not antagonizing our Hispanic population and are vastly overstating the issue in hopes to change the message. I think Dems in Texas a getting excited that possibly they won't be a complete after thought in the Lone Star state and want to promote some marginal gains. I seriously doubt that Texas votes blue in 2016 regardless of what happens politically and even if your suggested scenario comes true I have no intention of leaving Texas (unless the Army tells me to). The best thing about Texas is we have a weak Governor and our legislation only meets every 2 years. GOP or Dem they don't get a lot of opportunity to screw things up. People here tend to be a Texan first regardless of political affiliation so even a blue Texas won't look anything like the failures you see in other blue states. I'll say it again though, you are counting your eggs before they have hatced to assume a definitive Hispanic voting block for the Dems moving forward or to assume that Texas Democrats closely resemble the national party.

I think these guys know what they're talking about. I'm no expert on Texas politics and demographics but I'm willing to take the word of a GOP Senator and the chairman of the Texas GOP when they say Texas becoming Democratic is a foregone conclusion.