What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

[Kirkland Laing]

3 Jews killed.....99 Palestinians killed, 440 injured. Does something seem wrong here?

Duck-Sauce-Charlie-Sheen-Spinstyles-Bi-Winning-Edit.jpg

Demographically the Palestinians are winning. In a few years an Israeli minority will be ruling an apartheid state that will eventually go the way of South Africa.

This is where you undermine yourself. Apartheid was an official policy of discrimination practised by white people against black people. Many Jews are black. What is your argument? Race, Religion or ethnicity? From where does your concern for one side over the other arise?

Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.
There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house. That's what forced my older brother and three sisters to live in the US. They couldn't bear the harassment."
The 'apartheid wall'
There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another. Apartheid South Africa was one. So is Israel.............


Worlds apart | World news | The Guardian




More than two-thirds of Israeli Jews say that 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank should be denied the right to vote if the area was annexed by Israel, in effect endorsing an apartheid state, according to an opinion poll reported in Haaretz.
Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank, and 58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians, the poll found.
A third want Arab citizens within Israel to be banned from voting in elections to the country's parliament. Almost six out of 10 say Jews should be given preference to Arabs in government jobs, 49% say Jewish citizens should be treated better than Arabs, 42% would not want to live in the same building as Arabs and the same number do not want their children going to school with Arabs.
A commentary by Gideon Levy, which accompanied the results of the poll, described the findings as disturbing. "Israelis themselves … are openly, shamelessly and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists," he wrote.
"It's good to live in this country, most Israelis say, not despite its racism, but perhaps because of it. If such a survey were released about the attitude to Jews in a European state, Israel would have raised hell. When it comes to us, the rules don't apply."


Israeli poll finds majority would be in favour of 'apartheid' policies | World news | guardian.co.uk






As a Jew who has been an ardent supporter of Israel since its independence, it pains me to record what I saw there. But it is my love for Israel and for the Jewish people that drives me to speak out at this treacherous time.
What I witnessed in the West Bank—home to about 2.5 million Palestinians and 400,000 Israeli settlers—exceeded my worst expectations.
While the world’s statesmen have dithered, Israel has created a system of apartheid on steroids, a horrifying prison with concrete walls as high as twenty-six feet, topped with body-ravaging coils of razor wire. Spaced along these walls are imposing guard towers that harbor bunkers from which trespassers can be shot by Israeli soldiers. From this physical segregation—one land for Israelis; another, unequal land for Palestinians—flows a torrent of misery, violence and human rights abuses. The West Bank suffers from acute shortages of water, housing, jobs and healthcare. Palestinian children are separated from their parents, denied access to hospitals and stoned and beaten by Jewish settlers. Human rights sanctioned by international law, including the right to health, the prohibition on transferring populations into occupied territoriesand equality before the law are routinely violated....
How can Jews, who have been persecuted for centuries, tolerate this inhumanity? Where is their moral compass? How can this situation be acceptable to Judaism’s spiritual and political leaders? I don’t have that answer; except to say that Israel’s biggest enemy has become itself.


It’s apartheid, declares an investment banker/CFR member who’s an ‘ardent supporter of Israel’ | Mondoweiss






Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state

We do not have to identify the characteristics of South African apartheid in the civil rights discrimination in Israel in order to call Israel an apartheid state. It is best that we not try to evade the truth: The Citizenship Law's existence turns Israel into an apartheid state..............




Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

My concern for one side over the other isthe same reason I opposed the apartheid regime in South Africa and various rogue regimes around the world that repress their own and other people.

[Beanz]

3 Jews killed.....99 Palestinians killed, 440 injured. Does something seem wrong here?

Duck-Sauce-Charlie-Sheen-Spinstyles-Bi-Winning-Edit.jpg

Demographically the Palestinians are winning. In a few years an Israeli minority will be ruling an apartheid state that will eventually go the way of South Africa.

This is where you undermine yourself. Apartheid was an official policy of discrimination practised by white people against black people. Many Jews are black. What is your argument? Race, Religion or ethnicity? From where does your concern for one side over the other arise?

Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.
There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house. That's what forced my older brother and three sisters to live in the US. They couldn't bear the harassment."
The 'apartheid wall'
There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another. Apartheid South Africa was one. So is Israel.............


Worlds apart | World news | The Guardian




More than two-thirds of Israeli Jews say that 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank should be denied the right to vote if the area was annexed by Israel, in effect endorsing an apartheid state, according to an opinion poll reported in Haaretz.
Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank, and 58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians, the poll found.
A third want Arab citizens within Israel to be banned from voting in elections to the country's parliament. Almost six out of 10 say Jews should be given preference to Arabs in government jobs, 49% say Jewish citizens should be treated better than Arabs, 42% would not want to live in the same building as Arabs and the same number do not want their children going to school with Arabs.
A commentary by Gideon Levy, which accompanied the results of the poll, described the findings as disturbing. "Israelis themselves … are openly, shamelessly and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists," he wrote.
"It's good to live in this country, most Israelis say, not despite its racism, but perhaps because of it. If such a survey were released about the attitude to Jews in a European state, Israel would have raised hell. When it comes to us, the rules don't apply."


Israeli poll finds majority would be in favour of 'apartheid' policies | World news | guardian.co.uk






As a Jew who has been an ardent supporter of Israel since its independence, it pains me to record what I saw there. But it is my love for Israel and for the Jewish people that drives me to speak out at this treacherous time.
What I witnessed in the West Bank—home to about 2.5 million Palestinians and 400,000 Israeli settlers—exceeded my worst expectations.
While the world’s statesmen have dithered, Israel has created a system of apartheid on steroids, a horrifying prison with concrete walls as high as twenty-six feet, topped with body-ravaging coils of razor wire. Spaced along these walls are imposing guard towers that harbor bunkers from which trespassers can be shot by Israeli soldiers. From this physical segregation—one land for Israelis; another, unequal land for Palestinians—flows a torrent of misery, violence and human rights abuses. The West Bank suffers from acute shortages of water, housing, jobs and healthcare. Palestinian children are separated from their parents, denied access to hospitals and stoned and beaten by Jewish settlers. Human rights sanctioned by international law, including the right to health, the prohibition on transferring populations into occupied territoriesand equality before the law are routinely violated....
How can Jews, who have been persecuted for centuries, tolerate this inhumanity? Where is their moral compass? How can this situation be acceptable to Judaism’s spiritual and political leaders? I don’t have that answer; except to say that Israel’s biggest enemy has become itself.


It’s apartheid, declares an investment banker/CFR member who’s an ‘ardent supporter of Israel’ | Mondoweiss






Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state

We do not have to identify the characteristics of South African apartheid in the civil rights discrimination in Israel in order to call Israel an apartheid state. It is best that we not try to evade the truth: The Citizenship Law's existence turns Israel into an apartheid state..............




Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

My concern for one side over the other isthe same reason I opposed the apartheid regime in South Africa and various rogue regimes around the world that repress their own and other people.

You have merely quoted several other people incorrectly describing something that is not apartheid. Can you not see how inherently racist it is to use such a metaphor? Does this sound like a rational and unbiased account to you?

[El Kabong]

You have merely quoted several other people incorrectly describing something that is not apartheid. Can you not see how inherently racist it is to use such a metaphor? Does this sound like a rational and unbiased account to you?

Only if it supports what he originally thought

[El Kabong]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=UH-IINhvQvI

Who is on the side of logic, reason, and rational thinking again

[brocktonblockbust]

the REAL voice of reason----God Bless the REAL Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA5is7IcEqA

[brocktonblockbust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapWP8hq9Mc

[Gandalf]

I find it odd to quibble with a solitary sentence when most of what was said in the quotes above is quite true and on the record. Apartheid simply means the seperation or segregation of groups and in this case of Arabs.

Kirkland produced a good post as always. He isn't clouded by the way we are supposed to view Israel, but sees through the mist and tells it as it is.

Good on Brockton and Kirkland for keeping it real. One should never atone for injustice and with 160 dead we have seen another slaughter. Though in comparison to times past only a moderate slaughter and so this truce may be seen as a victory for peace.

All this after the Israeli's shot dead a boy playing football. It's funny how they always draw first blood and will do so again after another truce. You cannot allow the uppity concentration camp members to get silly ideas about independance, development and potential freedom. They have rockets? How dare they! And thus the shooting of the boy and an excuse to hammer them when the obvious retaliation came. It was predictable, but to have dunces like Hague say Hamas started it.....well, we support the regime. What else could we say? We have no backbone nor integrity.

[Kirkland Laing]

3 Jews killed.....99 Palestinians killed, 440 injured. Does something seem wrong here?

Duck-Sauce-Charlie-Sheen-Spinstyles-Bi-Winning-Edit.jpg

Demographically the Palestinians are winning. In a few years an Israeli minority will be ruling an apartheid state that will eventually go the way of South Africa.

This is where you undermine yourself. Apartheid was an official policy of discrimination practised by white people against black people. Many Jews are black. What is your argument? Race, Religion or ethnicity? From where does your concern for one side over the other arise?

Four decades later, the increasingly complex world of Israel's system of classification deems Said Rhateb to be a resident of the West Bank - somewhere he has never lived - and an illegal alien for living in the home in which he was born, inside the Jerusalem boundary. Jerusalem's council forces Rhateb to pay substantial property taxes on his house but that does not give him the right to live in it, and he is periodically arrested for doing so. Rhateb's children have been thrown out of their Jerusalem school, he cannot register a car in his name - or rather he can, but only one with Palestinian number plates, which means he cannot drive it to his home because only Israeli-registered cars are allowed within Jerusalem - and he needs a pass to visit the centre of the city. The army grants him about four a year.
There is more. If Rhateb is not legally resident in his own home, then he is defined as an "absentee" who has abandoned his property. Under Israeli law, it now belongs to the state or, more particularly, its Jewish citizens. "They sent papers that said we cannot sell the land or develop it because we do not own the land. It belongs to the state," he says. "Any time they want to confiscate it, they can, because they say we are absentees even though we are living in the house. That's what forced my older brother and three sisters to live in the US. They couldn't bear the harassment."
The 'apartheid wall'
There are few places in the world where governments construct a web of nationality and residency laws designed for use by one section of the population against another. Apartheid South Africa was one. So is Israel.............


Worlds apart | World news | The Guardian




More than two-thirds of Israeli Jews say that 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank should be denied the right to vote if the area was annexed by Israel, in effect endorsing an apartheid state, according to an opinion poll reported in Haaretz.
Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank, and 58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians, the poll found.
A third want Arab citizens within Israel to be banned from voting in elections to the country's parliament. Almost six out of 10 say Jews should be given preference to Arabs in government jobs, 49% say Jewish citizens should be treated better than Arabs, 42% would not want to live in the same building as Arabs and the same number do not want their children going to school with Arabs.
A commentary by Gideon Levy, which accompanied the results of the poll, described the findings as disturbing. "Israelis themselves … are openly, shamelessly and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists," he wrote.
"It's good to live in this country, most Israelis say, not despite its racism, but perhaps because of it. If such a survey were released about the attitude to Jews in a European state, Israel would have raised hell. When it comes to us, the rules don't apply."


Israeli poll finds majority would be in favour of 'apartheid' policies | World news | guardian.co.uk






As a Jew who has been an ardent supporter of Israel since its independence, it pains me to record what I saw there. But it is my love for Israel and for the Jewish people that drives me to speak out at this treacherous time.
What I witnessed in the West Bank—home to about 2.5 million Palestinians and 400,000 Israeli settlers—exceeded my worst expectations.
While the world’s statesmen have dithered, Israel has created a system of apartheid on steroids, a horrifying prison with concrete walls as high as twenty-six feet, topped with body-ravaging coils of razor wire. Spaced along these walls are imposing guard towers that harbor bunkers from which trespassers can be shot by Israeli soldiers. From this physical segregation—one land for Israelis; another, unequal land for Palestinians—flows a torrent of misery, violence and human rights abuses. The West Bank suffers from acute shortages of water, housing, jobs and healthcare. Palestinian children are separated from their parents, denied access to hospitals and stoned and beaten by Jewish settlers. Human rights sanctioned by international law, including the right to health, the prohibition on transferring populations into occupied territoriesand equality before the law are routinely violated....
How can Jews, who have been persecuted for centuries, tolerate this inhumanity? Where is their moral compass? How can this situation be acceptable to Judaism’s spiritual and political leaders? I don’t have that answer; except to say that Israel’s biggest enemy has become itself.


It’s apartheid, declares an investment banker/CFR member who’s an ‘ardent supporter of Israel’ | Mondoweiss






Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state

We do not have to identify the characteristics of South African apartheid in the civil rights discrimination in Israel in order to call Israel an apartheid state. It is best that we not try to evade the truth: The Citizenship Law's existence turns Israel into an apartheid state..............




Citizenship law makes Israel an apartheid state - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

My concern for one side over the other isthe same reason I opposed the apartheid regime in South Africa and various rogue regimes around the world that repress their own and other people.

You have merely quoted several other people incorrectly describing something that is not apartheid. Can you not see how inherently racist it is to use such a metaphor? Does this sound like a rational and unbiased account to you?

In that case 58% of the Israeli population must be inherently racist and incorrectly describing something that is not apartheid as apartheid. Bishop Desmond Tutu and a bunch of other South African notables who've been to Palestine and say it's worse than apartheid-era South Africa must be inherently racist and incorrectly describing something that is not apartheid as apartheid.