What is "israel"? Somebody please....?

[Beanz]

Lol.

[El Kabong]

I’m getting just a tad fed up with your nonsense. You routinely bust into arguments you know nothing about. All you know is that Lyle is on Side A

says Pot to Kettle

[TitoFan]

I’m getting just a tad fed up with your nonsense. You routinely bust into arguments you know nothing about. All you know is that Lyle is on Side A

says Pot to Kettle

I thought we weren't disagreeing anymore.

[El Kabong]

I thought we weren't disagreeing anymore.

Well I guess you were wrong....BOOM! In your face!!!

[TitoFan]

I thought we weren't disagreeing anymore.

Well I guess you were wrong....BOOM! In your face!!!

See? Now I'm the one who's hurt. Whatever happened to Team TitoFan? You mean you weren't talking for real? And here I was thinking you wouldn't lie about a thing like that. You got my hopes all up and everything. Dear, dear me.....

[Gandalf]

I am glad a lot of fun is being had with this thread, but do any of you really care about the people involved? This is no fun and games for them.

It is occupation on this side and aircraft will bomb you, All you have is a few lousy rockets to get them out.

It's like Braveheart which I watched today. It is easy to colonialise and abuse and suggest nothing wrong was done. Then beat some natives. That film is a real reflection in terms of the politics the Middle East area. The British as always are part of the 3 some and want their influence.

English history is nasty, savage and brutal. That King is evidence of why monarchy should be abolished.

[Beanz]

@TitoFan I read the article you linked to and was expecting an unbiased, neutral and balanced discussion of the subject and was disappointed but not surprised to find an article full of inaccuracies and blatant dogerel and propaganda. Ignoring the fact that the presentation style was somewhat akin to a children's Encyclopedia you would still have to be a very ignorant and unread individual to fall for such nonsense and have your own agenda which is more about discrediting another poster than sharing facts.

@Greenbeanz I'm disappointed. It took you almost 24 hours to come running to Lyle's aid. But I knew you'd pop in sooner or later. Tell us, in your infinite wisdom... exactly WHAT are the inaccuracies you found in the article? And please be specific. It's quite easy to throw around accusations, as you're prone to do..... but it's another thing altogether to back them up with cold, hard facts. Exactly WHAT are the inaccuracies, Greenbeanz? And tell us.... what would you say is the agenda of a U.S.-born journalist, with no known Arab ties or interests.... and what would be her objective in putting out such "propaganda", as you so "wisely" put it, when these types of views obviously place her (and her other nonpartisan supporters) in a non-popular stance with the general U.S. population? You're good at throwing around accusations. Give me FACTS. Also... I want to know where you GET your facts. Spend much time in the Middle East, have you?

Bottom line here: You're so intent on kissing up, that you blatantly ignore the one-sided hatred toward Arabs that comes out of Lyle's mouth. I push an agenda of tolerance and understanding. Neither you, nor Lyle, nor I are qualified to judge an entire race of people solely based upon what we read in the newspapers. Oh, but THOSE are gospel, right Greenbeanz? Who's being the naive fool now, gramps?

Do me a favor. If you're going to persist in your blatant ass-kissing, you gotta come at me with a better job than that.

I noted your first contribution in the 59th post in this thread as well as your now familiar habit of presumptive posting in which you play the part of enlightened information gatherer amongst a sea of ignorant bigots. Whilst castigating Lyle for not reading your linked article I once again note your magical ability to display breathtaking intolerance and arrogance in assuming that any opinion you may not share is arrived at through belligerence and stupidity. The article you posted is written by Alison Weir an Extreme Anti-Israel activist responsible for this charming article

Israeli Organ Harvesting � Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

in which she asserts that Israel conducts organ harvesting from Palestinian prisoners. A creepy manifestation of medieval anti-Semitic fears like the idea of the blood libel, the charge that Jews ritually murdered gentiles and used their blood to cast spells, which was a mainstay of medieval European anti-Semitism. In Europe, the blood libel led to pogroms, mass slayings and expulsions. Never mind the fact that the source of her information was a discredited Swedish tabloid article.

The website itself set up and populated by Ms Weirs rhetoric is clearly informed by her own rampant aganda in which Israel is defined as a despotic tyrant and no rational argument supporting an opposing view takes place. Like yourself, Miles, Noam Chomsky, The Guardian and large parts of the so called liberal left it is a very self hating piece of outrage politics dependent on portraying things in a simplistic black and white manner in which there is only one right party and plenty of wronged innocents, for which it is easy to attract sympathy. Like Noam Ms Wier and the "If Americans Knew" website is a Jewish Concern established no doubt to assuage the guilt complex over an Ever expanding and aggressive Israeli policy. She quotes and adds credence to conspiracy theorists to back up her wild claims

"Dr. A. Clare Brandabur, an American professor, writes that information in the Swedish article resonated with reports she heard during the first intifada."

Brandabur who believes that 9/11 was a home grown government staged attack.

That enough FACTS for you? although you claim bizarrely that you "push an agenda of tolerance and understanding" you then accuse me of judging an entire race of people on what I read in the Newspapers? I have not once done that in this thread and have merely pointed to the hypocrisy of those blaming one side and ignoring the other.

[VictorCharlie]

That was pretty solid rebuttal. Anxiously awaiting Tito's response.

[El Kabong]

That was pretty solid rebuttal. Anxiously awaiting Tito's response.

[Beanz]

I’m getting just a tad fed up with your nonsense. You routinely bust into arguments you know nothing about. All you know is that Lyle is on Side A, and I’m on Side B. Lyle could be arguing that the moon is made of cheese, and you’d come running in, as long as it meant arguing against me. Are you sure you’re a grandfather? Typical grandfathers don’t display this type of juvenile behavior. Another way you display your childishness: Normal adults don’t feel the need to purposely “flower up” their writing with big words just to impress other people. Any of us can sit with a thesaurus and write something “flowery”. But your prose tends to bore and confuse people. You’re so intent on impressing, that you go on and on about nothing. It’s called “talking shit”.

I still remember your stupid comment about me “hedging my bets” and “keeping my options open” because I was making a point about not everything being “black and white”. And yet people do that every day. On some subjects, we have hard and fast opinions one way or the other… while on others we may have some ambivalence, or see things as “grayish”. It’s called “thought”. Try it sometime.

Of all the people I’ve argued with on this forum, you’re probably the lowest life form of all. I’d rather argue with someone who has his own opinion, which might not agree with mine… than argue with the little kid in the back, hiding behind the bully saying: “Yeah! What he said!” You can’t go it alone, so you hide behind the backs of those I argue with and talk your flowery shit and make unfounded statements. How can anyone respect such a low-lying troll?

You have the option to keep posting on how you and your missus get matching tattoos, or how you have this cool ponytail and ride your Harley ‘cause you’re a cool gramps. And you have the option to stay the hell away from the posts where I’m arguing with someone who has their own opinion. And if you’ve noticed, I’ve tried to stay away from your stupid posts and threads. But don’t think you’re going to get a free pass every time it suits your fancy to come in and do your famous ass-kissing. ‘Cause I’m gonna continue to bitch-slap you like the phony you are.

Enough of "the lowest lifeform", "little kid in the back, hiding behind the bully","low-lying troll" and "ass kissing" insults already it is getting a little tired and embarrassing for you on a public forum. For someone so tolerant quite why what you deem as flowery language can do to offend you so is a little puzzling. I have never used a thesaurus and yet I because I will not resort to name calling I am somehow the juvenile one. Also it may be hard for you but imagine,but for once lets pretend that your preconceived ideas about other posters is just a little inaccurate. From your Americanized perspective you assume that somebody with tattoos must have a pony tail and ride a Harley but my hair is short and I would not be seen dead on a Harley. In Europe and the UK we have roundabouts and bends in the road, struggling with a motorised armchair around them when you could have a Triumph speed triple would be ridiculous. The pro Israel stance that your media supposedly has is nowhere near as uniform over here where the press is older and more disparate and my own opinions are informed by that but much more by real world interactions and experiences.

I may be a genuine Grandad but I am a young one, so good luck with your "bitch slapping" for me being "the phony" that I am.

[Beanz]

I am glad a lot of fun is being had with this thread, but do any of you really care about the people involved? This is no fun and games for them.

It is occupation on this side and aircraft will bomb you, All you have is a few lousy rockets to get them out.

It's like Braveheart which I watched today. It is easy to colonialise and abuse and suggest nothing wrong was done. Then beat some natives. That film is a real reflection in terms of the politics the Middle East area. The British as always are part of the 3 some and want their influence.

English history is nasty, savage and brutal. That King is evidence of why monarchy should be abolished.

You do realise that Braveheart is wholly historically inaccurate?

[El Kabong]

You do realise that Braveheart is wholly historically inaccurate?

White guilt pays no mind to such things

[Gandalf]

I am glad a lot of fun is being had with this thread, but do any of you really care about the people involved? This is no fun and games for them.

It is occupation on this side and aircraft will bomb you, All you have is a few lousy rockets to get them out.

It's like Braveheart which I watched today. It is easy to colonialise and abuse and suggest nothing wrong was done. Then beat some natives. That film is a real reflection in terms of the politics the Middle East area. The British as always are part of the 3 some and want their influence.

English history is nasty, savage and brutal. That King is evidence of why monarchy should be abolished.

You do realise that Braveheart is wholly historically inaccurate?

A man who learns.

[Gandalf]

English is so sick.That is whySome agree to this nnsn should all want to wipe them out. Every good Englishman strugges andf it is because they are real. some agree to this nonsense, but not I do what I do.

[Gandalf]

I am glad a lot of fun is being had with this thread, but do any of you really care about the people involved? This is no fun and games for them.

It is occupation on this side and aircraft will bomb you, All you have is a few lousy rockets to get them out.

It's like Braveheart which I watched today. It is easy to colonialise and abuse and suggest nothing wrong was done. Then beat some natives. That film is a real reflection in terms of the politics the Middle East area. The British as always are part of the 3 some and want their influence.

English history is nasty, savage and brutal. That King is evidence of why monarchy should be abolished.

You do realise that Braveheart is wholly historically inaccurate?

Yes. I also see a lot of untruths in modern hoistory.