Holocaust denial

[VictorCharlie]

If we agree that genocide is a systematic extermination of one group by another and that most of the Native Americans in what is now the US died of disease before the US was even a country then I don't think it fits the definition and not even close to being similar to the holocaust. There is no comparison between disease killing people held in a concentration camp and epidemics sweeping through a civilization over decades. I asked you to provide a source backing up the claim of millions of Native Americans murdered and you couldn't. As I stated military leaders are not only likely to keep count of dead enemy but are prone to inflate those numbers. If a we had killed a million Indians it should be a pretty easy stat to back up. Instead of answering this you resorted to bringing up my profession which is completely irrelevant to the topic and underlies your complete lack of factual information. This has become a pretty standard response for you when your mis-informed pre-conceived notions about the US are challenged. There really is no comparing the two events at all. Even the timelines fall short. Does the herding of entire ethnic group into concentration camps for forced labor and murder over a 10 year period really sound similar to the de-population of a continent's natives over 500+ years from diseases brought by Europeans that for the most part indigenous people never actually saw and to a exponentially lower part military conquest even remotely sound similar? Your attempt to compare this to the holocaust is offensive to the victims of it and my own Native American heritage.

[Gandalf]

You are in denial. A holocaust is a holocaust. It doesn't matter if it is long or short. If you round people up in camps, murder them, allow them to get sick and die, then you have a holocaust. It is just that the American holocaust was a very long one and was perpetrated by Europeans prior to the land theft becoming America. Estimates on the the numbers of deaths vary author to author. High estimates go up to 100 million and more, others are much lower at several million. Personally, I would argue somewhere in the middle and perhaps somewhat lower than that. 250,000 remaining out of even a population of even 10 million is still a huge decline and disease was the main culprit, but there was a horrendous amount of bloodshed involved and I think a lot of Americans don't like to look in the mirror because the truth is just too ugly. As an Englishman I feel the same way. Many Americans really are English.

Look I even found a video calling the genocide a holocaust. I think I will watch it actually.