Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

[armin]

One of the biggest fights of the year, and the undercard isn't too shabby either, on HBO PPV Saturday night, a must for us hardcore fans.

Dec. 8
At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, fourth fight, 12 rounds, welterweights; Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Michael Farenas, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim junior lightweight title; Miguel Vazquez vs. Mercito Gesta, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Javier Fortuna vs. Patrick Hyland, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim featherweight title.

I can already guess who most of you will pick to win this 4th fight between Pacquiao and JMM, the same pug you thought won the last 3! As for my pick, i'm going with Pacquiao by a clearcut decision, and possibly a TKO.

Who ya got, and why?

Cheers

Marquez because hell he's due for a close one to go his way.

[Kirkland Laing]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

[Master]

If I could watch it I would but I have not watched 3 and will not watch 4. This is a love fest from Arum productions. I hate it and all of them for giving us irrelevant matches.

[Mars_ax]

If I could watch it I would but I have not watched 3 and will not watch 4. This is a love fest from Arum productions. I hate it and all of them for giving us irrelevant matches.

This might end up being a good fight @Master, you should check it out mate.

cheers

[Master]

If I could watch it I would but I have not watched 3 and will not watch 4. This is a love fest from Arum productions. I hate it and all of them for giving us irrelevant matches.

This might end up being a good fight @Master, you should check it out mate.

cheers

I have stayed up until 4am for the last 2 weekends to watch fights so need the rest for this one and Khan the following week.

[Mars_ax]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

[Kirkland Laing]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

[Mars_ax]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

[IamInuit]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

That is a very good point. And after Bradley anything is possible. Byrd is one of the judges. There has to be some kind of effect on the judges from the last 3. Must rational humans believe he won at least one of those. Bayless is ok as a ref but can be a little Cortez like with the camera.

[Mars_ax]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

That is a very good point. And after Bradley anything is possible. Byrd is one of the judges. There has to be some kind of effect on the judges from the last 3. Must rational humans believe he won at least one of those. Bayless is ok as a ref but can be a little Cortez like with the camera.

If the 3 judges found a way to give Bradley 7 rounds in his fight against Pacquiao, they should easily find a way to give JMM at least that many against Pac. If Pac vs JMM IV is remotely close, Marquez will win this time.
Here's hoping there's a clearly dominant winner Saturday, the "controversy" is getting a little old.

[Kirkland Laing]

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.

I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

If it's close I think Manny gets it.

[pacfan]

I think Pac's gonna lose this one. I always said here that if Pac goes on charging in, he can knock Juan out anytime and I still do. But look what my bwoy has done instead. After every fight, he goes more on a defensive and retreat mode, avoiding exchange and staying safe. Look at the last fight, he hardly had any mark on his face, unlike the first, and to a lesser extent, the second. He knocked Juan thrice in the 1st fight, once in the 2nd, none in the 3rd. Im pretty sure this trend will continue and he'd be a loser this time. Tsk, tsk... Hey, pass the hankies...

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I think Pac's gonna lose this one. I always said here that if Pac goes on charging in, he can knock Juan out anytime and I still do. But look what my bwoy has done instead. After every fight, he goes more on a defensive and retreat mode, avoiding exchange and staying safe. Look at the last fight, he hardly had any mark on his face, unlike the first, and to a lesser extent, the second. He knocked Juan thrice in the 1st fight, once in the 2nd, none in the 3rd. Im pretty sure this trend will continue and he'd be a loser this time. Tsk, tsk... Hey, pass the hankies...

Unfortunately, I have this same sentiment. I believe that Pac is on a decline both physically and mentally. He does not have the same determination as before. If his last previous fights are any indication, then this may well be the fight that will result to his retirement. I hope it isn't so but would not be surprised if it is.

[fightscorecollector]

Im hoping the judges do a great job tonight as they have big pressure in this fight.

As always im covering the big fights on my fightscorecollector site (in the signature below). Personally im expecting to beat the record amount of scores i have collected for a fight in this one. the most was 265 for the Pacquiao vs Bradley fight.

I think Marquez will get the decision but Pacquaio will be robbed. I just see teh judges giving most close rounds to Marquez because of the HISTORY between the 2 fighters.

The fight though will be just as close as the other 3. I cant see how it can be any other way unless Marquez gets old overnight.

Looking forward to it , ENJOY

[ryanman]

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Marquez is in ridiculous shape.