Holocaust denial

[Gandalf]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

[VictorCharlie]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

None of which is relevant hence ad hominem.

1: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

[Gandalf]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

Read between the lines. I am saying that you are a brainwashed killer. You are so far over the line that you don't even know your own history. The world sees American history far better than Americans do themselves.

[Beanz]

Even if we are to reduce the genocide of the native Americans to a figure of 7 million it is still more than the numbers of Jews exterminated by the Nazis. We don't have native Americans trying to justify an invasion of Canada every week with reference to the north American genocide.

Tito, you are clearly an idiot. I have tried being nice to you in the past, but you are off your rocker these days. Give me the back of your hand? You would be pulling a knife out of your eye first. You made a post that was rather stupid and off point and I called it out as such. Then of course you reverted back to your recent type with all the petty insults. You have become very boring recently. Just page after page of fighting with Greenbeanz. Grow up. I won't give you the time. Greenbeanz has flattered you too much. I won't.

As for Beanz allegations of holocaust denial. I do not deny the holocaust. It was a terrible event in human history, but the truth has been distorted and manipulated. You don't just lose the deaths of 3 million Jews and yet that is what was revised by mainstream historians. In that sense even mainstream attitudes should be labelled as holocaust denial. It is an erroneous label as nobody denys the holocaust.

You are not allowed to discuss these issues without being insulted and condemned and that in itself is totalitarian. The holocaust was real, but so was Vietnam. Slaughter is slaughter and we forget about Vietnam and everyday hear from Israel about the holocaust and how Iran is like Hitler. It is nonsense.

Miles you have clearly not read any of my posts in which everyone of your assertions are refuted. Always with the hyperbole, oy vey, Israel does not bring up the holocaust everyday. You are not interested in debate, facts, or history.

[Beanz]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

You are repeating yourself. Have you ever done any humanitarian work? Have you ever saved anyones life?

[Gandalf]

Israel constantly brings up the holocaust. It is a shock when Netanyahu doesn't bring up the holocaust. It is the same old 45 played over and over.

It is not my job to write history books for Victor Charlie either. It is not my responsibility that he has killed people hunting for 'terrorists' or learned history through a modern American ideological stance. It tends to be a case of justifying ones owns misdemeanors.

[Gandalf]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

You are repeating yourself. Have you ever done any humanitarian work? Have you ever saved anyones life?

I've paid my taxes and avoided killing foreigners. I would never work in a holocaust camp.

[Beanz]

So now @TitoFan reveals his latent homophobia by calling Miles a "fag" and going on about "bitch slapping" again....yawn. Ironically enough the equally charming Mr " the Jews use the holocaust as the ultimate marketing tool" Finklestein, writes for the same magazine (counterpunch) as Tweety's rabid Ms Wier. ( Yes her of the Isrealis steal organs balanced brand of journalism).

Yes... you found me out. I'm a homophobe. How did I keep that secret so long? I explained things clearly in a previous post. One civil response. If it's met with insults... I resort to bitch slapping. It's the only treatment that seems to work with some of you people.

Who are " you people" ? Homosexuals? Jews? Myself and Miles? Anyone who doesn't kiss your bottom? All of the above?

No, no, yes, no, and no.

So you have a limited supply of civility and take issue with any post that does not suck up to your interpretation of the facts. Even when others reply in a strictly non personal way you take it as an insult. I am struggling for example to understand how the term Bitch slapping can mean anything other than you think it is either ok to slap women, or that it's ok to slap gays , unless of course you are a women or gay man yourself. Fag? You sound like Mars or VD.

[TitoFan]

So now @TitoFan reveals his latent homophobia by calling Miles a "fag" and going on about "bitch slapping" again....yawn. Ironically enough the equally charming Mr " the Jews use the holocaust as the ultimate marketing tool" Finklestein, writes for the same magazine (counterpunch) as Tweety's rabid Ms Wier. ( Yes her of the Isrealis steal organs balanced brand of journalism).

Yes... you found me out. I'm a homophobe. How did I keep that secret so long? I explained things clearly in a previous post. One civil response. If it's met with insults... I resort to bitch slapping. It's the only treatment that seems to work with some of you people.

Who are " you people" ? Homosexuals? Jews? Myself and Miles? Anyone who doesn't kiss your bottom? All of the above?

No, no, yes, no, and no.

So you have a limited supply of civility and take issue with any post that does not suck up to your interpretation of the facts. Even when others reply in a strictly non personal way you take it as an insult. I am struggling for example to understand how the term Bitch slapping can mean anything other than you think it is either ok to slap women, or that it's ok to slap gays , unless of course you are a women or gay man yourself. Fag? You sound like Mars or VD.

Do me a favor it you would. Go back and read posts 1 and 2.
And no... I don't think it's ok to slap women, but you're welcome to believe that because as usual you pick on specific phrases and come to your own biased conclusions.

[Gandalf]

I apologise for being rude to VanChilds. However, there is something I find unfathomable in choosing to become a killing machine for an immoral global power. It is something like signing up for the SS. As an intelligent and able person, that is the vocation one chooses? I guess I have never got my head around it. I like him really, but think he should be better than that. However, I should be better too and there is no need to be rude. I was rude and off topic and so apologise.

[VictorCharlie]

No need to apologize Miles but you calling me a killer has kind of become your default response when I point out your version of American history is not factually correct.

[Gandalf]

Are you suggesting that genocide did not take place in North America? In terms of numbers killed the wiping out of the native Americans was easily comparable to the holocaust. That isn't controversial. Disease and murder wiped out the natives and likewise the same happened in Nazi concentration camps to those encarcerated. Most didn't die in gas chambers, hunger or illness got them first. The mass wiping out of a race is genocide and the fact is that invaders killed an awful lot of indigenous people.

[VictorCharlie]

If we agree that genocide is a systematic extermination of one group by another and that most of the Native Americans in what is now the US died of disease before the US was even a country then I don't think it fits the definition and not even close to being similar to the holocaust. There is no comparison between disease killing people held in a concentration camp and epidemics sweeping through a civilization over decades. I asked you to provide a source backing up the claim of millions of Native Americans murdered and you couldn't. As I stated military leaders are not only likely to keep count of dead enemy but are prone to inflate those numbers. If a we had killed a million Indians it should be a pretty easy stat to back up. Instead of answering this you resorted to bringing up my profession which is completely irrelevant to the topic and underlies your complete lack of factual information. This has become a pretty standard response for you when your mis-informed pre-conceived notions about the US are challenged. There really is no comparing the two events at all. Even the timelines fall short. Does the herding of entire ethnic group into concentration camps for forced labor and murder over a 10 year period really sound similar to the de-population of a continent's natives over 500+ years from diseases brought by Europeans that for the most part indigenous people never actually saw and to a exponentially lower part military conquest even remotely sound similar? Your attempt to compare this to the holocaust is offensive to the victims of it and my own Native American heritage.

[Gandalf]

You are in denial. A holocaust is a holocaust. It doesn't matter if it is long or short. If you round people up in camps, murder them, allow them to get sick and die, then you have a holocaust. It is just that the American holocaust was a very long one and was perpetrated by Europeans prior to the land theft becoming America. Estimates on the the numbers of deaths vary author to author. High estimates go up to 100 million and more, others are much lower at several million. Personally, I would argue somewhere in the middle and perhaps somewhat lower than that. 250,000 remaining out of even a population of even 10 million is still a huge decline and disease was the main culprit, but there was a horrendous amount of bloodshed involved and I think a lot of Americans don't like to look in the mirror because the truth is just too ugly. As an Englishman I feel the same way. Many Americans really are English.

Look I even found a video calling the genocide a holocaust. I think I will watch it actually.

[El Kabong]

Says the man who killed people and did so paid by the tax payer.

Well nothing says capitulation like resorting to ad hominem.

I have never killed someone. You have.

Fact.

I bet VC has never forced someone to learn english....Imperialist!!!!