Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

[Kirkland Laing]

If Manny spends the whole fight going forward and Marquez spends the whole fight counterpunching and it's a close fight then Manny gets the decision. Marquez will have to do something different to win.

[greynotsoold]

I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

[Mars_ax]

I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

Really Grey? That's something new since Pac has never been stopped, at least not anytime lately. Tell you what my feeling is, JMM has been 'roidin, and may test positive for some shit after the fight, unless of course he's got hold of some slick mexican shit that passes conventional drug testing.

And furthermore, fuck Marquez and all his whining, I hope Pacquiao kicks his ass.

[Mars_ax]

This card starts @9:00 PM ET Saturday night in the States on HBO PPV and @2:00 AM Sunday morning for you lot across the pond.


At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, fourth fight, 12 rounds, welterweights; Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Michael Farenas, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim junior lightweight title; Miguel Vazquez vs. Mercito Gesta, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Javier Fortuna vs. Patrick Hyland, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim featherweight title; Jose Ramirez vs. Corey Siegwarth, 4 rounds, lightweights.

[Kirkland Laing]

The guy training Marquez has boasted that he's created twenty undetectable steroids by changing a small part of the chemical structure of existing steroids. With a guy like this who knows what he's doing and works in Mexico where this stuff is legal Marquez could have been juicing for months and not test positive.

The head of the NSAC, Kizer, admits passing their tests is as easy as walking across the road. Vegas don't want to catch anybody, it's bad for business. They especially don't want to start random testing before big fights in case they catch somebody and a multi-million dollar bonanza goes down the toilet.

The recent Thomas Hauser/Montoya articles on PEDs in boxing are very worth reading.

[DavilaJones]

I agree that I believe that the judges would worry about public perception regarding giving Pacquaio the benefit of the doubt in 3 fights in a row, they could perhaps feel obligated that they must give Marquez the close rounds.

That being said I do believe the first fight was a draw, but 2nd Marquez won by 2 and third Marquez won by 3.

[Youngblood]

If this fight sees the end, expect a decision that defies any fight logic whatsoever but oddly lines up with pocket books. History and all that. Curious to see how Marquez handles the beef though. Could end up tiring earlier then expected. Or just be superjuiced like everyone else in the sport and still throwing punches into the 16th round.

[Spicoli]

I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

For the sake of sanity and all that's right let's hope it ends in a tko, either way frankly.

I also don't think Marquez hurting Manny is unimaginable and that Manny trying to find his previous attack will run into something. If he approaches Marquez with the pedestrian pace he had with Bradley he will lose!

[:::PSL:::]

I got Pacquiao by 10th TKO !!!

[Mars_ax]

Heads-up - HBO is showing live version of the weigh-in tonight @ 8:30 PM ET, and on right now is the final episode of 24/7.

[Mars_ax]

Marquez 143 lbs - Pacquiao 147 lbs, both look to be in great shape.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Heads-up - HBO is showing live version of the weigh-in tonight @ 8:30 PM ET, and on right now is the final episode of 24/7.

I'm playing catch-up. I'm on episode 3

[Master]

Heads-up - HBO is showing live version of the weigh-in tonight @ 8:30 PM ET, and on right now is the final episode of 24/7.

I'm playing catch-up. I'm on episode 3

where are you watching it?

[GAME]

If Manny spends the whole fight going forward and Marquez spends the whole fight counterpunching and it's a close fight then Manny gets the decision. Marquez will have to do something different to win.

Hes had 2 chances to do something different and failed each time. I think all he is capable of is timing Pac and countering but nothing more. He cant do anything else so he leaves it in the judges hands. If he tried to go for it more, thats when he walks onto shots and gets floored.

Pac on the other hand is capable of something different but he has been in decline for afew fights in a row now and the last fight is evidence that he cant fight at pace like he use to.

He is still more dangerous that Marquez in exchanges though so he has to have a more explosive attitude this time round. He cant stand off and try to box like he did in the 3rd fight. That was the most lopsided fight in Marquez' favour IMO so Pac has to do what made him famous and let his hands go, fight at pace and be relentless. At almost 40 Marquez is the one who should struggle more in that type of fight

[KananKrus]

Before his last fight with Manny Pacquiao, JMM had already stopped drinking pee and instead hired the supreme nutritionist in Angel Heredia, in order to quickly transform himself into the menacing welterweight that he is today.

At some point in time, he had stopped trusting the wisdom of the 18 years of prior training for nutrition provided for him by Beristain... he wasn't sure it would be enough to beat Manny and when it comes to beating Pacquiao, he did not want to leave any stones unturned.

Well, last fight, the third install, gave him a better and a more explosive type of battle and he almost won, if you can only discard the official results, the judges scorecards.

He was definitely bigger than when he was the pee-taking JMM version that suffereda 12 round pummeling at the hands of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

What's in his drink nowadays? Well, it is nothing that any testing for PEDs, USADA or otherwise, can and will detect as violative... he is clean!

Let the fight begin then and may the best man win! Article below is purely speculative...

Juan Manuel Marquez's newfound muscle raises questions about PED use - Yahoo! Sports Canada