Manny please RETIRE, I dont what my hero hurt some more.

[ross]

He was being more aggressive and just got caught. After all the fights, it seems JMM was just destine to be the Mexican to beat Pac.

A fifth fight would still be competitive and I'm sure Pac will still do some serious damage on any welterweight.

Why retire because he got caught cold? Pacs a warrior, I bet he wants a rematch asap. I think his fans need to be as brave as him. You can't celebrate his victories and be proud then but be cowards when he is the one that got destroyed. His a champ and always will be, don't be surprise if he comes back even stronger.

What about Morales

[Julius Rain]

He was being more aggressive and just got caught. After all the fights, it seems JMM was just destine to be the Mexican to beat Pac.

A fifth fight would still be competitive and I'm sure Pac will still do some serious damage on any welterweight.

Why retire because he got caught cold? Pacs a warrior, I bet he wants a rematch asap. I think his fans need to be as brave as him. You can't celebrate his victories and be proud then but be cowards when he is the one that got destroyed. His a champ and always will be, don't be surprise if he comes back even stronger.

What about Morales

The Morales that negotiated for pac to use more padded gloves in the first fight and then got k.o'ed in the rematch and quit in the third? JMM fought tougher, bigger, primed pacman 4 times and ko'ed him cold.

[TitoFan]

Pac's not even 34 yet, so no need to retire 'cause of age. However, we've seen Pac on a gradual decline, to the point where it's been speculated whether his heart is still in it. He gave it a good go last night, but Marquez just has his number. If Pac wants to continue for the right reasons, no reason for him to retire. But if he's not 100% into it, he could end up getting hurt worse.

[Rantcatrat]

This has to be one of the weakest thread titles of all time by the way.

[IamInuit]

Pac's not even 34 yet, so no need to retire 'cause of age. However, we've seen Pac on a gradual decline, to the point where it's been speculated whether his heart is still in it. He gave it a good go last night, but Marquez just has his number. If Pac wants to continue for the right reasons, no reason for him to retire. But if he's not 100% into it, he could end up getting hurt worse.

Yeah its a tough call. He had a Ct scan and everything was ok. He was stopped cold early in his career also. I could not believe how well he handled the first kd

[TitoFan]

Pac's not even 34 yet, so no need to retire 'cause of age. However, we've seen Pac on a gradual decline, to the point where it's been speculated whether his heart is still in it. He gave it a good go last night, but Marquez just has his number. If Pac wants to continue for the right reasons, no reason for him to retire. But if he's not 100% into it, he could end up getting hurt worse.

Yeah its a tough call. He had a Ct scan and everything was ok. He was stopped cold early in his career also. I could not believe how well he handled the first kd

In a way I think Pac's celebrity status may have hurt his boxing career a little bit. He's been on all the talk show tours... he has his own band (I think)... his political career... he's dabbled heavily in religion. In short, he's become one of the more recognizable faces in all of sport. He does commercials... has probably been on every major magazine cover, etc, etc. And there's been a noticeable decline in his boxing. Controversy aside, he should've been able to handle Tim Bradley easier than he did in their bout. And now this previously unimaginable KTFO loss to Marquez.

As I write, I'm reminded of the Rocky movies. What was it... Rocky III, where Rocky was all "fat and content" and had to be slapped back to reality by his trainer? Anyway, Pac needs to do some serious soul-searching. He either gets back to his boxing roots... or he just drops it altogether and moves on with the rest of his life.

[IamInuit]

Pac's not even 34 yet, so no need to retire 'cause of age. However, we've seen Pac on a gradual decline, to the point where it's been speculated whether his heart is still in it. He gave it a good go last night, but Marquez just has his number. If Pac wants to continue for the right reasons, no reason for him to retire. But if he's not 100% into it, he could end up getting hurt worse.

Yeah its a tough call. He had a Ct scan and everything was ok. He was stopped cold early in his career also. I could not believe how well he handled the first kd

In a way I think Pac's celebrity status may have hurt his boxing career a little bit. He's been on all the talk show tours... he has his own band (I think)... his political career... he's dabbled heavily in religion. In short, he's become one of the more recognizable faces in all of sport. He does commercials... has probably been on every major magazine cover, etc, etc. And there's been a noticeable decline in his boxing. Controversy aside, he should've been able to handle Tim Bradley easier than he did in their bout. And now this previously unimaginable KTFO loss to Marquez.

As I write, I'm reminded of the Rocky movies. What was it... Rocky III, where Rocky was all "fat and content" and had to be slapped back to reality by his trainer? Anyway, Pac needs to do some serious soul-searching. He either gets back to his boxing roots... or he just drops it altogether and moves on with the rest of his life.

Indeed. That has been an ongoing concern for quite some time. Just stretched to thin. You could see it in the third fight and in the Bradley scrap even though he was jobbed. The way he accepted the decision in that fight really got me wondering. When you add in the absolute obsession Marquez had its a house of cards.