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    Default Re: Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

    Marquez ducked Nas and rejected what would've been the highest purse of his career

    Prime Nas, who was hungry and focused and had yet to be limited by the chronic swelling problems he developed in his hands would've given Pac a fight.

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    Default Re: Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

    You think the 'chronic swelling problems' were just limited to his hands?

    You're right though, Marquez cherry picked all of his fights, he strikes me as the type of fighter who is fearful of a loss and who avoided the best, never seeking them and his legacy will always have a huge blemish on it for not fighting Naseem p4p the greatest hamed.

    I'm starting to lose count of the ammount of Frank Warren fighters who have holes in their records because 'fighter X turned down a career high pay day'.

    I'm starting to suspect that there's maybe more to these fights not coming off than that, but then again Warren is so trustworthy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TysonBomb View Post
    Marquez ducked Nas and rejected what would've been the highest purse of his career

    Prime Nas, who was hungry and focused and had yet to be limited by the chronic swelling problems he developed in his hands would've given Pac a fight.


    I honestly tried to find a vid of people supporting your (and Fenster's) theory, but this is the closest I could come up with.



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    @TitoFan - You need a video? For fucks sake talk about denial (how many times?)

    Here's the same HBO guys confirming Marquez ducked Naz (@AdamGB - Frank Warren had nothing to do with Naz at this stage). All four turned down huge career high paydays.

    Last edited by Fenster; 12-13-2012 at 03:37 PM.
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    Default Re: Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

    It took you over an hour to take the bait.
    I'm somewhat disappointed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    It took you over an hour to take the bait.
    I'm somewhat disappointed.

    Well I can't react to things I haven't seen.

    It actually took me about 30 seconds to provide the uninitiated with the truth.
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    Default Re: Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

    The truth?




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    Default Re: Pac-Naz - we now have definitve proof. Fact.

    JMM would beat Naz 7 ways til Sunday and twice before lunch...

    Don't get shit twisted JMM is a REAL legend based on REAL facts.
    Not based on what could have? Or what might have?

    He is based on what is.


    and that my friends is a fact.

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    Come on guys, kicking pac while he is down?

    Naz is soft compare to jmm. Jmm had to survive over 40 rounds to catch pac with a perfect counter.

    I dont think naz survives 5 rounds with pac.

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    I just spotted over a hundred people viewing this thread? Pac fights still get the Filipinos buzzing
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    Forget the "buzzing Filipinos"!!!! I just found the Saddo equivalent of the lost scrolls! An actual civilized argument about whether JMM ducked Naz between Fenster and I.

    Where oh where did it all go so wrong?




    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    @TitoFan - you click the reply button and then look for this ABC and click it.

    I've backed up everything I said with evidence from numerous sources. I have provided dates, purses, fighters, trainers, managers, matchmakers, TV companies, commentators and journalists.


    Your "evidence" consists of one lone journalist saying "Naz ducked Marquez"

    Lets put this to bed... just provide evidence of Marquez making offers to fight Naz (as you claimed)? Show me what purses Naz turned down? Show me some dates? Was Marquez going to England?


    Ok Fenster... I'm trying the crossout feature. It's not a real crossout... just a test.

    Look... here's an article on the subject.

    LAS VEGAS RJ:SPORTS: Featherweight Marquez said no to H...


    Make of it what you will. Personally, I think it's completely wrong to claim that Marquez ducked Hamed. Turning down a fight and giving specific reasons as to why does not constitute ducking. As I said before... the fight game's all about posturing, seeing who can their terms over the other guy. Marquez had no reason to duck Hamed, something that was made painfully obvious when Naseem faced Barrera and was humiliated.

    Someone posted a a few posts back that Marquez wasn't anyone and that the Pac fights is all he has to his name. A bit of an ignorant post, I think, because Marquez was much more than that. He was the mandatory challenger, and I still haven't seen a documented explanation as to why he was never offered a fight during those two years when he was the mandatory. That's all I'm saying.



    P.S. - Ok, I see the crossout feature worked... thanks. Also, I realize you had posted the same link a while back. I think we're just interpreting it differently. You feel it says Marquez ducked Hamed, whereas I don't see that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I agree with you 100% @TitoFan - "Turning down a fight and giving specific reasons as to why does not constitute ducking"

    Just like saying a fighter "ducked" another without a single shred of evidence that any negotiations ever took place doesn't constitute ducking either. We only have evidence that Marquez turned down an offer from Naz. You now agree with all my sources that said Marquez had "no reason" to turn the fight down. However, he did, and that's why boxing "experts" were surprised and criticised him.

    I only ever say Marquez ducked Naz in response to people claiming Naz ducked Marquez. There's no evidence so it's bogus and silly. I'm just revealing the facts and truth. That's all. I don't favour either fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I just spotted over a hundred people viewing this thread? Pac fights still get the Filipinos buzzing
    Would I be right in thinking we've actually had a few new members over the last week or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I just spotted over a hundred people viewing this thread? Pac fights still get the Filipinos buzzing
    Would I be right in thinking we've actually had a few new members over the last week or so?
    The Manny fans are fickle and only come around when he fights.Suprised walrus has hung around this long. He will leave when Pace Man retires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    I just spotted over a hundred people viewing this thread? Pac fights still get the Filipinos buzzing
    Would I be right in thinking we've actually had a few new members over the last week or so?
    Back in the day we had so many Pac fans here (Filipinos) we had to give them their own board. Seems mental now but that was before twitter and all that lark murdered the forums.

    The actual fight nights would bust the site everytime.
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