why are there bad decisions?

[IamInuit]

Bad decisions are relative to the person who believes they are a bad decision. Bad decisions infer that it was a wrong decision and a lot of the times it is in reality just a close decision that went against their fighter.

bad decisions often have a mis-interpretation of a significant number of rounds being scored for a particular fighter. The best example is ODH v Trinidad most people had Oscar winning the middle rounds and Tito the latter rounds but the decisive factor would be who won the early rounds and that is where the arguments start. Those that scored it to Oscar will see a bad decision but those that score it to mostly Tito will see it as a closer decision.

The same could be used for Cooper v Bugner.

Everyone will have their own real bad decisions mines Holyfield v Lewis 1.

Exactly. Like the judges we are human and not infallible. But we are not paid to be impartial. I posted the Cunningham/Adamek card because of the diversity in the rounds. I cannot recall three cards scored in such a manner in a close fight. Its as if no self interest was applied. None of the three judges agreed with each other in almost any round. Is that true objectivity or stupidity?

On the other hand...Whitaker vs Ramirez 1 was unadulterated no doubt paid for stupidity. Same goes for Tiberi vs Toney.

I miss 15 rds for championship fights. At least they closed the gap.

[beenKOed]

Bad decisions are relative to the person who believes they are a bad decision. Bad decisions infer that it was a wrong decision and a lot of the times it is in reality just a close decision that went against their fighter.

bad decisions often have a mis-interpretation of a significant number of rounds being scored for a particular fighter. The best example is ODH v Trinidad most people had Oscar winning the middle rounds and Tito the latter rounds but the decisive factor would be who won the early rounds and that is where the arguments start. Those that scored it to Oscar will see a bad decision but those that score it to mostly Tito will see it as a closer decision.

The same could be used for Cooper v Bugner.

Everyone will have their own real bad decisions mines Holyfield v Lewis 1.

Exactly. Like the judges we are human and not infallible. But we are not paid to be impartial. I posted the Cunningham/Adamek card because of the diversity in the rounds. I cannot recall three cards scored in such a manner in a close fight. Its as if no self interest was applied. None of the three judges agreed with each other in almost any round. Is that true objectivity or stupidity?

On the other hand...Whitaker vs Ramirez 1 was unadulterated no doubt paid for stupidity. Same goes for Tiberi vs Toney.

I miss 15 rds for championship fights. At least they closed the gap.

Remember when the "championship rounds" were the 13th-15th?

I like the "lone wolf" breakdown, it will identify a problem judge over time but so will score cards.

[Freedom]

I had Adamek winning 115-113 and so did a lot of other people. It was a close fight and not a robbery. If Cunningham wanted to win so badly, he should have thrown more power punches in the later rounds instead of running.

There are bad decisions everywhere, but I've seen far more robberies and shady refereeing in the USA favoring American boxers than anywhere else in the world.

Yet American boxers, media people and fans whine and cry more about losing a close fight than fans in the UK, Phillipines, Russia, Germany and elsewhere do when it happens to their fighters.

Pacquiao was robbed against Bradley, Ponce de Leon was robbed against Broner, Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight, Lewis clearly beat Holyfield in their first fight, Meehan should have won against Brewster, Kotelnik was robbed against Alexander, Ward had a home referee who let him deliberately headbutt and otherwise foul against Kessler, Berto cut Zaveck with a deliberate headbutt and then won a TKO, etc.

America leads the world in shady officiating.

[Freedom]

[Beanflicker]

I think the biggest reason, even moreso than greed and corruption, is the fact that boxing has not moved with technology like other mainstream sports, and our fights are still judged the same way they were 150 years ago.

As viewers at home, we get the best angle/view of the action at ALL times, we get instant replays, with modern cable boxes we can rewind and review parts of the fight, we can play in slow motion, ect ect.

But the fight is decided by three fucking people who have ONE view of the fight. The chick who fucked up the Lewis/Holyfield decision said it best: she thought Holyfield was landing more punches because Lewis had his back to her for a large part of Holyfield's flurries and she didn't have a good view of it! So they have to contend with bad views because of the moving action, ref and camera guys getting in the way, ect.

So the goddamn fight is judged by three people who have a WORSE view of the fight than us fans sitting at home! How does that make sense?

We have the technology now where we could have judges in the back room with multi-camera angles, going back and dissecting each round, slowing footage down to see what punches landed and what didn't, ect ect. In mainstream sports, they've used the growth in media technology to make the games fair. You can review a play in the NFL or NHL from 40 different angles and get it right. In boxing, we haven't even thought of using that shit apart from giving us boxing fans a better home viewing presentation.

So yeah, corruption is a big part of boxing, but the entire judging system is faulty and arciach.

[IamInuit]

I think the biggest reason, even moreso than greed and corruption, is the fact that boxing has not moved with technology like other mainstream sports, and our fights are still judged the same way they were 150 years ago.

As viewers at home, we get the best angle/view of the action at ALL times, we get instant replays, with modern cable boxes we can rewind and review parts of the fight, we can play in slow motion, ect ect.

But the fight is decided by three fucking people who have ONE view of the fight. The chick who fucked up the Lewis/Holyfield decision said it best: she thought Holyfield was landing more punches because Lewis had his back to her for a large part of Holyfield's flurries and she didn't have a good view of it! So they have to contend with bad views because of the moving action, ref and camera guys getting in the way, ect.

So the goddamn fight is judged by three people who have a WORSE view of the fight than us fans sitting at home! How does that make sense?

We have the technology now where we could have judges in the back room with multi-camera angles, going back and dissecting each round, slowing footage down to see what punches landed and what didn't, ect ect. In mainstream sports, they've used the growth in media technology to make the games fair. You can review a play in the NFL or NHL from 40 different angles and get it right. In boxing, we haven't even thought of using that shit apart from giving us boxing fans a better home viewing presentation.

So yeah, corruption is a big part of boxing, but the entire judging system is faulty and arciach.

Could not agree more. I have been advocating for years that the system is broken and that it has not evolved with the times. Year after year concurrently we see bad decision after bad decision and the only answer they have come with is open scoring which only adds to the farce. Personally I'd like to see the judges removed from ringside and given all the angles we get at home but with the volume off and taken away from all the distractions. Imagine looking across the apron while watching and scoring a fight for a millisecond and getting a full view of Pamela Andersons camel toe.

[Vendettos]

There should NEVER be home advantage.
There should NEVER be judges from any of the fighters hometowns

Fighters risk there life, it should be set with these rules so they don't risk it for nothing.