Steve Collins vs Roy jones jr

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Thats it. Jones had 2 decent wins over Hopkins and Toney then had a very mediocre run for ages before he fought Ruiz.

He beat Eric Lucas and Clinton Woods and some other journeymen but he could have had great fights with THE names that were around like Eubank, Benn, Collins, Calzaghe, michalczewski, Liles. He could have been the one to move up and show Holyfield up but he thought Holyfield hit too hard and went for Ruiz.

Lol..so blinded.

I would like to see benn, eubank, collins and calzaghe move up and deal with that ruiz..

From middle to heavyweight..that alone shows what risks Rjj took to make history.

[ross]

Thats it. Jones had 2 decent wins over Hopkins and Toney then had a very mediocre run for ages before he fought Ruiz.

He beat Eric Lucas and Clinton Woods and some other journeymen but he could have had great fights with THE names that were around like Eubank, Benn, Collins, Calzaghe, michalczewski, Liles. He could have been the one to move up and show Holyfield up but he thought Holyfield hit too hard and went for Ruiz.

Lol..so blinded.

I would like to see benn, eubank, collins and calzaghe move up and deal with that ruiz..

From middle to heavyweight..that alone shows what risks Rjj took to make history.

Depends on whether he did that jump clean eh...

[ruthless rocco]

looking closely at roy's record i've noticed that he often fought guys who had lost in the recent bouts. examples of this are his fights against
tony thornton(lost to toney)
eric lucas(lost to tiozzo)
mike mccallum(lost to tiozzo)
virgil hill(lost to michalczewski)


...and many of his opponents had also recently been fighting guys with questionable records like these
22-8-1
17-14-1
12-12-2
11-23-8
9-4-0
2-3-0
which begs the question of how they got ranked let alone given top contender status.

[IamInuit]

looking closely at roy's record i've noticed that he often fought guys who had lost in the recent bouts. examples of this are his fights against
tony thornton(lost to toney)
eric lucas(lost to tiozzo)
mike mccallum(lost to tiozzo)
virgil hill(lost to michalczewski)


...and many of his opponents had also recently been fighting guys with questionable records like these
22-8-1
17-14-1
12-12-2
11-23-8
9-4-0
2-3-0
which begs the question of how they got ranked let alone given top contender status.

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

[ruthless rocco]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

[IamInuit]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

[roberto duran legend]

Going back to the title of the thread,Roy Jones would have kicked Steve Collins butt.
A much better match up would be Collins VS Froch, pretty much the same skill level.

[ruthless rocco]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

1999... prime roy jones jr 38-1 (32 KO) WBC WBC lightheavy champ. vs richard frazier 18-3-1 (7 KO)

y'all musta forgot!

[IamInuit]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

1999... prime roy jones jr 38-1 (32 KO) WBC WBC lightheavy champ. vs richard frazier 18-3-1 (7 KO)

y'all musta forgot!

Ok so you hate Roy Jones cause he fought an optional.

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Canelo needs to man up and fight trout. Period.

As for roy jones, steve collins would never have been an issue.

Roy is just trying to keep his name relevant and make as much money as he can..thats what he wants to do and i hope it all works out for him.