Steve Collins vs Roy jones jr

[IamInuit]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

1999... prime roy jones jr 38-1 (32 KO) WBC WBC lightheavy champ. vs richard frazier 18-3-1 (7 KO)

y'all musta forgot!

Ok so you hate Roy Jones cause he fought an optional.

Think he rode the wbc #1 ranking for a year without having a fight, could be wrong though.

I'd toss in Jones vs Otis Grant who never fought at Lt. hvy and jumped two weight divisions to have the distinction of being Roys showcase cannon fodder.

I'd go for Vinny for that trophy. Jones showed something he had never shown before or since in that fight. A dominant jab and I could not believe how good it was. Why he abandoned that and relied on reflexes will always puzzle me. Roy got all kinds of breaks because of his drawing power.

[ruthless rocco]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

1999... prime roy jones jr 38-1 (32 KO) WBC WBC lightheavy champ. vs richard frazier 18-3-1 (7 KO)

y'all musta forgot!

Ok so you hate Roy Jones cause he fought an optional.

Think he rode the wbc #1 ranking for a year without having a fight, could be wrong though.

I'd toss in Jones vs Otis Grant who never fought at Lt. hvy and jumped two weight divisions to have the distinction of being Roys showcase cannon fodder.

I'd go for Vinny for that trophy. Jones showed something he had never shown before or since in that fight. A dominant jab and I could not believe how good it was. Why he abandoned that and relied on reflexes will always puzzle me. Roy got all kinds of breaks because of his drawing power.

chavez jr didn't fight as a amateur... his first 40 fights were his first 40 fights. so thats not really relevant.
roy's amateur record was 121-13.

i don't hate roy jones jr... i'm just aware that he was a bit of a bitch pussy who chose his fights very carefully to look his best not to challenge himself to do his best against the best.

[IamInuit]

They paid their sanctioning fees and its no different today. How all of a sudden was Matthew Hatton a contender for Alvarez having never fought at 154? This kind of thing has been happening forever and all you need to be today to challenge for one of the many trinkets is to be a top 15 and in many cases pretty much yearly fighters magically appear in rankings.

but no one's trying to say canelo is one of the all time greatest fighters.

roy made that assertion daily.

But Roy never fought guys like that except for early in his career. Look at Chavez Sr's first 40 fights. Point is we can find fault in just about any greats record if we look hard enough. That does not detract in the end to how great they are/were. And many fighters claim to be the Goat. In the end no doubt in my mind that Roy is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. Where he rests on peoples lists is subjective but he definitely deserves to be on the list. To bad he is soiling his legacy in a way by fighting on.

1999... prime roy jones jr 38-1 (32 KO) WBC WBC lightheavy champ. vs richard frazier 18-3-1 (7 KO)

y'all musta forgot!

Ok so you hate Roy Jones cause he fought an optional.

Think he rode the wbc #1 ranking for a year without having a fight, could be wrong though.

I'd toss in Jones vs Otis Grant who never fought at Lt. hvy and jumped two weight divisions to have the distinction of being Roys showcase cannon fodder.

I'd go for Vinny for that trophy. Jones showed something he had never shown before or since in that fight. A dominant jab and I could not believe how good it was. Why he abandoned that and relied on reflexes will always puzzle me. Roy got all kinds of breaks because of his drawing power.

chavez jr didn't fight as a amateur... his first 40 fights were his first 40 fights. so thats not really relevant.
roy's amateur record was 121-13.

i don't hate roy jones jr... i'm just aware that he was a bit of a bitch pussy who chose his fights very carefully to look his best not to challenge himself to do his best against the best.

Just kidding

Most all time great Mexicans have no amateur record. And like I have already said, all of those involved share the blame as to why they did not fight.

[ruthless rocco]

here's an interesting roy jones jr video...

first they announce that they've fitted roy trunks with a mic to record the sounds in his shorts in the ring. very strange.

then at the 3minute mark george foreman predicts that roy will move up in weight and become heavyweight champion! jim lampley laughs it off and ridicules george. haha.
then at the 50:48 minute mark george says he should stay at middleweight if he wants to remain great.

[ross]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

[Master]

Roy was playing with Mike and he respected him too much to knock him out although he did put him down.

Roy was the best and he would have beaten them all but he did have a fat HBO contract which meant that he did not have to travel and risk dangerous fights. I also remember fans had a boycott Roy Jones PPV fight and a clock that showed how long it was the last time he was in a dangerous fight. Roy himself use to play basketball matches before his fights because he was that good and the opponents were that poor but HBP were willing to pay.

Who would have thought 15 years later he would still be fighting and going abroad to get knocked out. Amazing this game of boxing. Fighting Steve Collins is about his level of boxing now, it is safe.

[Spicoli]

Never liked that McCallum fight. I like watching a great in the ring but that was def not the best Body snatcher. If Roy really respected him he would have poured it on for a clean tko and been done with it. Two sets of judges btw and a special mic in his trunks no, Jones wasn't spoon fed. In hindsight this is where you might point when we start to wonder what are one of the things wrong with boxing today.

[Beanflicker]

I think if you're going to dog Roy Jones and claim that he ducked solid opposition and cherry picked fights, you should point who he should have fought but didnt at any given time.

Michalczewski and Eubank aside, as the blame for those fights not happening is AT LEAST 50/50, although to me logic says that as the #1 p4p at the time, Roy should have had guys coming to him instead of having to chase guys over in Europe.

[Bobthepen]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

[ross]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

Eubank and Benn both had 10 times the speed that the 39 year old McCallum did. Watch those slow punches catching Jones and imagine Nigel Benn in front of a cowering Jones trapped on the ropes. The reason McCallum did better than most against Jones was because regardless of age he had been a class fighter and wasn't intimidated by Jones speed and pointless flash hooks that did fuck all. Most of Jones opponents were sacred of his speed and getting caught. Fighters like Eubank and Benn who were world class and had proven records of walking through fire would have scared the shit out of Jones. Especially the natural light heavy Michalczewski. Roy wanted no part of that fight.