Steve Collins vs Roy jones jr

[ruthless rocco]

here's an interesting roy jones jr video...

first they announce that they've fitted roy trunks with a mic to record the sounds in his shorts in the ring. very strange.

then at the 3minute mark george foreman predicts that roy will move up in weight and become heavyweight champion! jim lampley laughs it off and ridicules george. haha.
then at the 50:48 minute mark george says he should stay at middleweight if he wants to remain great.

[ross]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

[Master]

Roy was playing with Mike and he respected him too much to knock him out although he did put him down.

Roy was the best and he would have beaten them all but he did have a fat HBO contract which meant that he did not have to travel and risk dangerous fights. I also remember fans had a boycott Roy Jones PPV fight and a clock that showed how long it was the last time he was in a dangerous fight. Roy himself use to play basketball matches before his fights because he was that good and the opponents were that poor but HBP were willing to pay.

Who would have thought 15 years later he would still be fighting and going abroad to get knocked out. Amazing this game of boxing. Fighting Steve Collins is about his level of boxing now, it is safe.

[Spicoli]

Never liked that McCallum fight. I like watching a great in the ring but that was def not the best Body snatcher. If Roy really respected him he would have poured it on for a clean tko and been done with it. Two sets of judges btw and a special mic in his trunks no, Jones wasn't spoon fed. In hindsight this is where you might point when we start to wonder what are one of the things wrong with boxing today.

[Beanflicker]

I think if you're going to dog Roy Jones and claim that he ducked solid opposition and cherry picked fights, you should point who he should have fought but didnt at any given time.

Michalczewski and Eubank aside, as the blame for those fights not happening is AT LEAST 50/50, although to me logic says that as the #1 p4p at the time, Roy should have had guys coming to him instead of having to chase guys over in Europe.

[imp]

I think if you're going to dog Roy Jones and claim that he ducked solid opposition and cherry picked fights, you should point who he should have fought but didnt at any given time.

Michalczewski and Eubank aside, as the blame for those fights not happening is AT LEAST 50/50, although to me logic says that as the #1 p4p at the time, Roy should have had guys coming to him instead of having to chase guys over in Europe.

Exactly.

Alot of it is jealousy. Roys skills are pretty flawless when he was prime.

[bzkfn]

I think if you're going to dog Roy Jones and claim that he ducked solid opposition and cherry picked fights, you should point who he should have fought but didnt at any given time.

Michalczewski and Eubank aside, as the blame for those fights not happening is AT LEAST 50/50, although to me logic says that as the #1 p4p at the time, Roy should have had guys coming to him instead of having to chase guys over in Europe.

I do hate the assumption though that to 'make it' you have to go to America. Andre Ward is a great fighter but why does he get to have every fight in his back yard. If you're the best, you should be willing to prove it by giving up those advantages once in a while. Roy has become a globetrotter recently but more so because he had to.

[Dropanuke]

I think if you're going to dog Roy Jones and claim that he ducked solid opposition and cherry picked fights, you should point who he should have fought but didnt at any given time.

Michalczewski and Eubank aside, as the blame for those fights not happening is AT LEAST 50/50, although to me logic says that as the #1 p4p at the time, Roy should have had guys coming to him instead of having to chase guys over in Europe.

I do hate the assumption though that to 'make it' you have to go to America. Andre Ward is a great fighter but why does he get to have every fight in his back yard. If you're the best, you should be willing to prove it by giving up those advantages once in a while. Roy has become a globetrotter recently but more so because he had to.

Ward knows that if he travels it has to be against a lesser fighter!
Why ya think he wants Hearn to make an offer!
He wants £5million as its worth the loss on his record in Nottingham!
That's it! Without froch he has no career!
He can unify every division and no one will care. It's the truth from a ward fans side of it

[Bobthepen]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

[ross]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

Eubank and Benn both had 10 times the speed that the 39 year old McCallum did. Watch those slow punches catching Jones and imagine Nigel Benn in front of a cowering Jones trapped on the ropes. The reason McCallum did better than most against Jones was because regardless of age he had been a class fighter and wasn't intimidated by Jones speed and pointless flash hooks that did fuck all. Most of Jones opponents were sacred of his speed and getting caught. Fighters like Eubank and Benn who were world class and had proven records of walking through fire would have scared the shit out of Jones. Especially the natural light heavy Michalczewski. Roy wanted no part of that fight.

[Bobthepen]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

Eubank and Benn both had 10 times the speed that the 39 year old McCallum did. Watch those slow punches catching Jones and imagine Nigel Benn in front of a cowering Jones trapped on the ropes. The reason McCallum did better than most against Jones was because regardless of age he had been a class fighter and wasn't intimidated by Jones speed and pointless flash hooks that did fuck all. Most of Jones opponents were sacred of his speed and getting caught. Fighters like Eubank and Benn who were world class and had proven records of walking through fire would have scared the shit out of Jones. Especially the natural light heavy Michalczewski. Roy wanted no part of that fight.

Eubank had five stoppages in 19 fights at Super middle. Benn had 18 fights at super middleweight, and won eight by knockout.
Yup, these two card carrying knockout artists had Jones quaking in his boots with their tenacious onslaughts.

Like the way you glossed over the fact that McCallum didn't have a single fight at welterweight.

[ross]

I watched the McCallum fight when it happened but I didn't remember McCallum doing as we'll as he did. This was a 39 year old former welterweight outlanding Jones. Watching this again and listening to Merchant point out how McCallum is exposing Jones. You see after each round the punches landed and most of them are something ridiculous in McCallums favour. Every time Roy is forced to the ropes he gets caught and covers up like a novice, exactly like he does now.

The different here was he had a class opponent in front of him that wasn't intimidated by Roy's speed. If that had been Eubank or Benn who had trapped Jones on the ropes and not a slow, old non puncher, Roy would have been gone.

Sigh. I'd completely forgot about McCallum's legendary welterweight career.

Benn was not a huge puncher at super middle, and neither Benn nor Eubank had the skill set that McCallum did. Nor were either as tall or had the reach McCallum did. Benn lacked his chin. Nor did any of those two have any pedigree at 175lbs.

Eubank and Benn both had 10 times the speed that the 39 year old McCallum did. Watch those slow punches catching Jones and imagine Nigel Benn in front of a cowering Jones trapped on the ropes. The reason McCallum did better than most against Jones was because regardless of age he had been a class fighter and wasn't intimidated by Jones speed and pointless flash hooks that did fuck all. Most of Jones opponents were sacred of his speed and getting caught. Fighters like Eubank and Benn who were world class and had proven records of walking through fire would have scared the shit out of Jones. Especially the natural light heavy Michalczewski. Roy wanted no part of that fight.

Eubank had five stoppages in 19 fights at Super middle. Benn had 18 fights at super middleweight, and won eight by knockout.
Yup, these two card carrying knockout artists had Jones quaking in his boots with their tenacious onslaughts.

Like the way you glossed over the fact that McCallum didn't have a single fight at welterweight.

Eubank purposefully never went out to hurt anyone after the Watson fight. He had Collins out in the tenth of their first fight and he hurt him a few times in the second fight too including a knckdown that wasnt called and Collins had a good chin. McCallum said Collins was his toughest opponent, he couldnt put a dent in him...

[ruthless rocco]

y'all musta forgot roy has a glass chin & can't take a punch to save his career.