Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

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It's obviously just a publicity stunt, but I don't think Velasquez or Dos Santos are guys who deserve a tremendous amount of respect to be honest. They are a couple of bums as long as they aren't taking you down, if they were to keep the fight standing even Tyson Fury would make easy work of them.

[bzkfn]

It's obviously just a publicity stunt, but I don't think Velasquez or Dos Santos are guys who deserve a tremendous amount of respect to be honest. They are a couple of bums as long as they aren't taking you down, if they were to keep the fight standing even Tyson Fury would make easy work of them.

Wow I can't believe anyone could say that. Clearly you believe fighting is just about punching and nothing more? How can you not respect 2 guys who have had to learn more than one martial art in order to make it to the top of a combat sport?

[p4pking]

It's obviously just a publicity stunt, but I don't think Velasquez or Dos Santos are guys who deserve a tremendous amount of respect to be honest. They are a couple of bums as long as they aren't taking you down, if they were to keep the fight standing even Tyson Fury would make easy work of them.

Wow I can't believe anyone could say that. Clearly you believe fighting is just about punching and nothing more? How can you not respect 2 guys who have had to learn more than one martial art in order to make it to the top of a combat sport?

I just don't think either man is a special athlete. I'd much rather watch someone who was incredibly good at one disicpline than a cockfight. Aesthetically, I find most ground fighting to be repulsive regardless of how difficult or skillfull it may be, I'll admit that.

[Beanflicker]

I just don't think either man is a special athlete.

Science disagrees with that

[Beanflicker]

But getting past the MMA vs Boxing thing... why would you call out a guy from a different sport like that? And maybe in England "tit" is a term of endearment... but seems rather rude for here for a guy you don't even know.

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I just don't think either man is a special athlete.

Science disagrees with that

Haha, kind of a neat video I guess but taking raw data from simple tests like that isn't exactly the end all measure of athletecism. All that proves is that he's in great shape, and very powerful. I'm sure most NFL players would put up huge numbers in a setting like that as well. It's the intangibles and finesse, individual skillsets which really seperate elite guys from those who are merely physical beasts. I'd bet all kinds of phenomenally talented athletes wouldn't score very highly at all on tests like that, but so what.

[Beanflicker]

Haha, kind of a neat video I guess but taking raw data from simple tests like that isn't exactly the end all measure of athletecism. All that proves is that he's in great shape, and very powerful. I'm sure most NFL players would put up huge numbers in a setting like that as well. It's the intangibles and finesse, individual skillsets which really seperate elite guys from those who are merely physical beasts. I'd bet all kinds of phenomenally talented athletes wouldn't score very highly at all on tests like that, but so what.

No doubt, I'm not saying he's a Bo Jackson or a Michael Phelps, but the guy is an incredible athletic specimen and a cardio machine. The fight with Junior was a bad indication because I think there were a lot of nerves involved and the grappling game is INCREDIBLY taxing no matter how conditioned you are. You take a supremely conditioned boxer like Mayweather and have him grapple with guys and he'll gas out, it's just a different world.

But I do agree that saying Cain would beat Tyson in boxing is going a little far. Cain had no striking training until he was out of college in 2005 or 06, so if Tyson Fury was to lose to him in a boxing match I think that would be VERY embarrassing.

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Haha, kind of a neat video I guess but taking raw data from simple tests like that isn't exactly the end all measure of athletecism. All that proves is that he's in great shape, and very powerful. I'm sure most NFL players would put up huge numbers in a setting like that as well. It's the intangibles and finesse, individual skillsets which really seperate elite guys from those who are merely physical beasts. I'd bet all kinds of phenomenally talented athletes wouldn't score very highly at all on tests like that, but so what.

No doubt, I'm not saying he's a Bo Jackson or a Michael Phelps, but the guy is an incredible athletic specimen and a cardio machine. The fight with Junior was a bad indication because I think there were a lot of nerves involved and the grappling game is INCREDIBLY taxing no matter how conditioned you are. You take a supremely conditioned boxer like Mayweather and have him grapple with guys and he'll gas out, it's just a different world.

But I do agree that saying Cain would beat Tyson in boxing is going a little far. Cain had no striking training until he was out of college in 2005 or 06, so if Tyson Fury was to lose to him in a boxing match I think that would be VERY embarrassing.

Fury had his first amateur fight in 2005 (I think). He fought Price in 2006 but only had around 10 fights.

[bzkfn]

I just don't think either man is a special athlete. I'd much rather watch someone who was incredibly good at one disicpline than a cockfight. Aesthetically, I find most ground fighting to be repulsive regardless of how difficult or skillfull it may be, I'll admit that.

To be calling MMA cockfighting is pretty ignorant. I also think it is ridiculous to suggest they're not quality athletes. MMA is a tough sport, so to get to the top requires a high level of skill. Fury wouldn't last very long in a cage. I'll admit I'm exaggerating with the length, but I wouldn't be stunned if Cain stopped him in a Boxing fight.

[p4pking]

I just don't think either man is a special athlete. I'd much rather watch someone who was incredibly good at one disicpline than a cockfight. Aesthetically, I find most ground fighting to be repulsive regardless of how difficult or skillfull it may be, I'll admit that.

To be calling MMA cockfighting is pretty ignorant. I also think it is ridiculous to suggest they're not quality athletes. MMA is a tough sport, so to get to the top requires a high level of skill. Fury wouldn't last very long in a cage. I'll admit I'm exaggerating with the length, but I wouldn't be stunned if Cain stopped him in a Boxing fight.

I didn't call MMA in general a cockfight, although it certainly can be. I was thinking specifically of the fight last weeked between Cain and Junior. That was shit to watch in large part, Dos Santos was completely out of gas unable to fight back and just getting hit while turtling on the ground for much of the fight, not my cup of tea. And to suggest Cain could beat anyone who only boxes for a living at a high level is purely hypocritical given that you accuse me of being ignorant.

[bzkfn]

I just don't think either man is a special athlete. I'd much rather watch someone who was incredibly good at one disicpline than a cockfight. Aesthetically, I find most ground fighting to be repulsive regardless of how difficult or skillfull it may be, I'll admit that.

To be calling MMA cockfighting is pretty ignorant. I also think it is ridiculous to suggest they're not quality athletes. MMA is a tough sport, so to get to the top requires a high level of skill. Fury wouldn't last very long in a cage. I'll admit I'm exaggerating with the length, but I wouldn't be stunned if Cain stopped him in a Boxing fight.

I didn't call MMA in general a cockfight, although it certainly can be. I was thinking specifically of the fight last weeked between Cain and Junior. That was shit to watch in large part, Dos Santos was completely out of gas unable to fight back and just getting hit while turtling on the ground for much of the fight, not my cup of tea. And to suggest Cain could beat anyone who only boxes for a living at a high level is purely hypocritical given that you accuse me of being ignorant.

I have yet to see Fury box at a high level, which is pretty much why I have the opinion I have. For now, he's all smoke and mirrors.

As for the Cain & Junior fight, Cain dropped him hard. If that'd been boxing, the fight would have been stopped. He didn't even recover for 3 rounds, because he was allowed to. If you'd seen Junior fight before, I think you'd be plenty more impressed.

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I just don't think either man is a special athlete. I'd much rather watch someone who was incredibly good at one disicpline than a cockfight. Aesthetically, I find most ground fighting to be repulsive regardless of how difficult or skillfull it may be, I'll admit that.

To be calling MMA cockfighting is pretty ignorant. I also think it is ridiculous to suggest they're not quality athletes. MMA is a tough sport, so to get to the top requires a high level of skill. Fury wouldn't last very long in a cage. I'll admit I'm exaggerating with the length, but I wouldn't be stunned if Cain stopped him in a Boxing fight.

I didn't call MMA in general a cockfight, although it certainly can be. I was thinking specifically of the fight last weeked between Cain and Junior. That was shit to watch in large part, Dos Santos was completely out of gas unable to fight back and just getting hit while turtling on the ground for much of the fight, not my cup of tea. And to suggest Cain could beat anyone who only boxes for a living at a high level is purely hypocritical given that you accuse me of being ignorant.

I have yet to see Fury box at a high level, which is pretty much why I have the opinion I have. For now, he's all smoke and mirrors.

As for the Cain & Junior fight, Cain dropped him hard. If that'd been boxing, the fight would have been stopped. He didn't even recover for 3 rounds, because he was allowed to. If you'd seen Junior fight before, I think you'd be plenty more impressed.

Right, but they are different sports. Boxing at a high level means boxing a hell of a lot better than anybody in the history of MMA ever has, that's just a no brainer. I actually did see the first fight between Cain and Junior as well, I can only imagine Santos either didn't get into proper condition for the rematch or is a complete kill or be killed fighter, haven't seen enough of him to know. Either way, the fact that they can both land the kind of bombs they did on each other within the opening minute only cements that they are not very good boxers, to me.

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I do think that it takes a certain amount of skill to get to the top in mma but I think it takes more skill to get anywhere in boxing.

In mma you have so many different disciplines you can fall on if one is failing. In boxing you only have punching.

I think boxing is like football where mma is like a hybrid between football and rugby. In football, you only have your feet but in the hybrid, if you arent as skilled as Matt Le Tissier, you could just pick the ball up and run through your opponent.

[Beanflicker]

In mma you have so many different disciplines you can fall on if one is failing. In boxing you only have punching.

That was true for MMA years ago, but the sport has evolved now to the point where you have to be REALLY, REALLY good at everything. If you have a weakness, someone's going to exploit it.

[FinitoElDinamita]

It's obviously just a publicity stunt, but I don't think Velasquez or Dos Santos are guys who deserve a tremendous amount of respect to be honest. They are a couple of bums as long as they aren't taking you down, if they were to keep the fight standing even Tyson Fury would make easy work of them.

Exactly..

lol I can't believe these dudes put Santos and Cain on a pedestal as if they are some skilled killers..

As long as they fight like real men, Tyson Fury puts them to sleep on the same night and im not even joking.