Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

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I really don't know enough about Fury to make a judgement. Cain hits like a truck though, his punch was measured on Sport Science as having 2230lbs of force or around there. All it takes is one on the button.

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I thought it was disrespectful of JDS to say he could KO a Klitschko, but even he wasn't hurling insults at them.

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I thought it was disrespectful of JDS to say he could KO a Klitschko, but even he wasn't hurling insults at them.

It's an insult in itself to say that, moreso than Fury being the twit he is to get some attention. To suggest he would even have a prayer of getting out of the first round of a boxing match with either Klitschko is assinine. It would be like Tyson Fury saying he'd slam Cain to the ground and choke him out, no different at all in fact.

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Bit different. JDS trains boxing extensively. Fury has no grappling skills whatsoever as far as I know.

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Bit different. JDS trains boxing extensively. Fury has no grappling skills whatsoever as far as I know.

So Fury is a boxer that is shit and only a contender, whereas "JDS" is an mma champ who trains boxing "extensively" so that makes an even fight, lets get it on!

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Bit different. JDS trains boxing extensively. Fury has no grappling skills whatsoever as far as I know.

Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

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Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

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Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

How would you know?

Whos to say that Fury isn't a little mma weekend warrior? Watches all the mma shows and does a little training at his gym?

Ill tell you this. Most mma fighters will not train boxing with any decent boxers because they dont like to get hit, whereas grappling, you may get tied up but you wont take those sharp stinging punches. I used to box and have done freestyle karate and trained with brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners and my uncle is a trainer in tradidional jiu jitsu and none of them would ever step foot in the boxing gym and attempt to spar, whereas myself and other boxers are more than willing and enjoy stepping over and learning new things and trying other things out. Whether this is a trend everywhere I don't know but I get the feeling that most martial artists (I know boxing is a martial art and quite possibly the first ever) think f themselves as "above" boxing and for one reason or another just plain refise to even step foot in a boxing specific gym, whereas boxers are quite open to traini g alongside them? Go figure...

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Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.

Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.

I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

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I really don't know enough about Fury to make a judgement. Cain hits like a truck though, his punch was measured on Sport Science as having 2230lbs of force or around there. All it takes is one on the button.

Love the way the UFC throw cheap shots at boxing all the time "that's higher then any boxer we've tested"