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    Default Re: Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.
    Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

    You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

    I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

    All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.
    I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Maybe, but not much. Grappling is a far more organic thing than boxing, you can bet Fury would be able to handle most people who didn't train seriously on the ground, just on account of being huge and bullish. The skillset required is FAR easier to hone and a lot, if not most of it, boils down to genetics. Wheras JDS may train in boxing, but he's never had a pro fight, or dedicated a whole training camp to just dealing with punches. I'd imagine he's never sparred a relevant HW boxer etc. Klitschko has been doing that for his entire life and it the best big man in the world at it. It's absolutely ridiculous for Dos Santos to have said that.
    Not denying it was rediculous for Dos Santos to say that. I think it's downright chicken-shit to call a guy out when you know full well you would never be able to fight him.

    You're underestimating grappling though. I've trained grappling, not to any impressive degree, but enough to know that being huge and bullish works against you against anyone who knows what they are doing because grappling is about skill, technique and leverage, not just simply using brute strength which will tire you out in 30 seconds. Big, bullish guys are at an even bigger advantage on their back. If a big guy like Fury gets put on his back, he ain't getting back up.

    I think it runs parallel to boxing in terms of skill and technique required. A guy going on "organic" grappling skills will get schooled by someone who knows what they are doing, much like someone going on "organic" punching instincts will get schooled by someone who trains and understands the sweet science.

    All I'm saying is JDS has an astronomically larger boxing skillbase than Fury would have a grappling skillbase.
    I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.
    Well said, always thought that about a lot of UFC fighters, seem scared to get hit a lot of the time and rush in just hoping for a clinch. Then if they get floored go into fetal position to cover up waiting for ref to jump in

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    Default Re: Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    I didn't mean to dismiss the skill level required to be a serious wrestler etc. However, there are no organic punching instincts, that was my whole point. Grappling is very much different. If you have the right type of coordination and fast twich muscles etc its a tremendous advantage over someone who hasn't, even if they are more skilled. Boxing, or any hand to hand combat is a very finite thing which must be learned. You could be an absolute freak of nature athlete and get your ass whipped something fierce by someone who was simply more composed or accustomed to seeing punches come at them. Watch your average street fight, people absolutely panic and becoming completely unnerved. This is something you still see in a lot of UFC fights imo, with guys who are less than stellar on their feet.

    There are definitely organic punching instincts, you only need to Youtube "street fights" to see a bunch of guys who never trained a day in their lives throwing bombs at each other and knocking each other out.

    Athleticism is a big part of any sport, guys like Roy Jones have dominated guys with superior technical skills with freak speed and strength.

    With boxing or grappling, athleticism is useless without the superior technique to guide it, at least if you're going against someone who knows what they are doing.

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    Default Re: Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

    lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

    Tyson Fury is famous for this


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    Quote Originally Posted by TysonBomb View Post
    lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

    Tyson Fury is famous for this

    If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TysonBomb View Post
    lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

    Tyson Fury is famous for this

    If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.
    We realize what happened but it's still pretty damned funny. I, especially like that surprised look on his face.
    Are you saying Fury wasn't supposed to hit himself or his opponent wasn't supposed to duck? This is really starting to make me laugh. Thanks, I like to start my day with a good laugh.

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    Default Re: Tyson Fury wants to fight the UFC Heavyweight champion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TysonBomb View Post
    lol Tyson Fury is trash talking

    Tyson Fury is famous for this

    If you watch that closely the opponent ducked. He was not suppose to do that.
    Yeah... but come on!! How many times do you see a boxer evade a punch in your average boxing card? Probably hundreds. When was the last time your somebody miss and punch their own face!

    Nobody thought he was trying to do it on purpose!

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