Where do you rank Wladimir Klitschko among the all-time heavyweights?

[Fenster]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

[BIG H]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

Hide (that version) may well be Vit's best win.

Do you think they have better wins that Peter/Hide?

I've asked the question before... is there anybody on either Klit's record, that the top 40-50 HWs in history would not also have beat! I say 'No' ...Not the brother's fault, but a fact nonetheless

[Fenster]

If Sam Peter is their best win neither should be in the top 100.

(Herbie Hide was more dangerous than Peter. Fact.)

Hide (that version) may well be Vit's best win.

Do you think they have better wins that Peter/Hide?

I've asked the question before... is there anybody on either Klit's record, that the top 40-50 HWs in history would not also have beat! I say 'No' ...Not the brother's fault, but a fact nonetheless

I think they should be judged as individuals not a team, but neither have a win that far above Hide/Peter, which lets be honest is shocking.

Byrd
Sanders
Chagaev
Old Botha
Old Mercer
Old Briggs
Old Rahman

(fucks sake, it's depressing)

[Freedom]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 15 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Eliseo Castillo
Paea Wolfgramm
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford
Axel Schulz


Wlad beat 8 previously undefeated fighters:

Mariusz Wach
Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion
Sultan Ibragimov
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 10 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 5th longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 13. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 2006.

[Fenster]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 15 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Eliseo Castillo
Paea Wolfgramm
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford
Axel Schulz


Wlad beat 8 previously undefeated fighters:

Mariusz Wach
Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion
Sultan Ibragimov
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 10 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 5th longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 13. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 2006.

Nice CV.

He certainly looks impressive when viewed in this form.

[Mr140]

Well Bryd could trouble a lot of heavyweights could beat a top 20 i think i don't see many fighters in the 1900-1950s beating the guy for sure. Chagaev and Haye are good wins as well i just dont get why people are so down on Wlad. How do we know the undefeated guys that were smashed by Wlad were not good. I mean wtf is Louis best win Scheming, Wallcott, and LHW Conn i think all them get crused by top 40 Heavyweights and he consider to be pretty high on the list i think Wlad could make top 10 by the time he is done.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Sam peter was not there best win! LOL.

Peter was being beaten to a pulp by Jameel Mcqeef until bigtime gassed out! Byrd. Chaggy. Undefeated Brock. Ibragimov etc would all have beaten peter...

Sanders is VK's best win IMO like Cooney is Holmes best win!

PPL talking like Peter was some bum anyway!! How did Rahman, Holy, Jirov and Ruiz do against Toney again?

I certainly rate Peter over i.e Rahman who lost to both Maskaev and Toney (both of which Peter beat!)

'Old Briggs. Old Mercer'. LOL Briggs was never any good, both Mcline and Ibragimov dominated him, VK just felt like putting a beatdown on one of his contemporaries thats all! Mercer was older yes but he wasn't a spring chicken when he beat Lewis up! In fact he was nearly a stone lighter for WK and he started boxing late as a pro anyway! No worse than Tyson or Holy fighting Holmes. No one cares about those wins anyway....

Solis would have schooled any version of Briggs and Byrd outboxes any version of Mercer! Prime Peter scalps the Trevor Berbicks of the world...

[BIG H]

Wladimir Klitschko stopped at least 15 fighters who had never been stopped before.

Calvin Brock (never down or stopped before)
Eddie Chambers (never down or stopped before)
Tony Thompson (never down or stopped before)
Ruslan Chagaev (never down or stopped before)
Monte Barrett (never down before, down 6 times in 2000 against Wladimir)
Lamon Brewster (never down before his first fight with Wlad)
David Bostice (never stopped, Wlad dropped him 4 times for a round 2 TKO)
Eliseo Castillo
Paea Wolfgramm
Fabian Meza
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic
Fabio Eduardo Moli
Charles Shufford
Axel Schulz


Wlad beat 8 previously undefeated fighters:

Mariusz Wach
Ruslan Chagaev (former amateur world champion
Sultan Ibragimov
Calvin Brock
Samuel Peter
Eliseo Castillo
Najee Shaheed
Zoran Vujecic

As well as 12 people who had only one previous loss (Haye, Byrd, Chambers, etc)


He has 10 wins over world champions:

Byrd x 2, Peter X 2, Rahman, Chagaev, Haye, Ibragimov, Mormeck, Mercer


He is the 5th longest reigning Heavyweight Champion of all time with the 3rd most consecutive title defenses at 13. He holds the IBF, WBO and IBO records for the most heavyweight title defenses.

And Wladimir won Olympic Gold in Atlanta in 2006.

Yup, I think I'll get you to write mv CV too, becuase you have put a very positive spin on what is a horrible looking list of opponents!

[imp]

Thats why the quality of opponents cancels out the longevity of the reign as champion.

Vlad and vitali would cause any fighter issues in any era but the fact they are outside the top ten should still be respected.