Prime Mike Tyson in this era

[TysonBomb]

I don't think we can say Vitali doesn't have a chin. I forget what round it was in, but Lewis hit him with a monster uppercut that would have taken a lot of fighter's heads off and Vitali barely flinched.

Prime Mike would have been too quick for Vitali and easily out works him, but his sheer size would have made it difficult for Mike to catch him with big combinations to the head.

Tyson wasn't a head hunter then ... if the body was available he'd dig right into it.

He does have a good chin but its not super amazing if we can only base it from one fight. Plus he said that he Lewis was slow and he saw everything coming. Compare that with a Tyson uppercut that he would never see coming. The speed difference is too great and Tyson would charge him.

[tysonesque]

I don't think we can say Vitali doesn't have a chin. I forget what round it was in, but Lewis hit him with a monster uppercut that would have taken a lot of fighter's heads off and Vitali barely flinched.

Prime Mike would have been too quick for Vitali and easily out works him, but his sheer size would have made it difficult for Mike to catch him with big combinations to the head.

Tyson wasn't a head hunter then ... if the body was available he'd dig right into it.

He does have a good chin but its not super amazing if we can only base it from one fight. Plus he said that he Lewis was slow and he saw everything coming. Compare that with a Tyson uppercut that he would never see coming. The speed difference is too great and Tyson would charge him.

I guess there is a possibility that Tyson could force the ref to step in, but I just can't see Vitali being counted out.

To be honest though, anything is possible with prime Tyson.

[Mr140]

Eh i say everyone expect the brothers i mean there been long running champs. I say Tyson may lose because when he fought top guys he lost most of the time i go with Klitschko think size be a problem.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

James Tillis frustrated the hell out of him and made him look inept at times so put him in with any boxer with quick hands!

Holy schooled him and Douglas broke him. So let's not make out he would run through everyone....

I'd favour him over everyone except K2 and maybe the 2 quick southpaws Byrd and Ibragimov.

[OMGWTF]

I firmly believe Tyson would destroy all of them, and he would of taken out a prime lennox lewis, he never would have beaten holyfield though.

Basically Vitali has been flawed and wobbled by lesser punchers than the bombs Tyson throws, and thats a severe understatement, not many of you have seen vitali kickboxing, his chin isnt iron, its solid, but not Tyson solid and tall fighters are tailor made for Tysons style.

Only someone with an exceptional chin or power could beat a prime Tyson e.g. holyfield ali for chin and perhaps a slugger like foreman could beat him too, buster dougless was a fluke 9/10 times Tyson would beat buster dougless.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I firmly believe Tyson would destroy all of them, and he would of taken out a prime lennox lewis, he never would have beaten holyfield though.

Who did he beat that was comparable to prime lewis.

Basically Vitali has been flawed and wobbled by lesser punchers than the bombs Tyson throws, and thats a severe understatement, not many of you have seen vitali kickboxing, his chin isnt iron, its solid, but not Tyson solid and tall fighters are tailor made for Tysons style.

Do u mean FLOORED? LOL. And Tyson has been brutally stopped by much lesser punchers than K2!

Whats your point? How did Tyson do against lewis' and Williams punches and how did VK do? Being wobbled is not comparable to being KTFO by Douglas or Holyfield or Williams! Lewis and Sanders are giant punchers and he took there best shots....his chin is iron!

Only someone with an exceptional chin or power could beat a prime Tyson e.g. holyfield ali for chin and perhaps a slugger like foreman could beat him too, buster dougless was a fluke 9/10 times Tyson would beat buster dougless.

And Douglas LOL.

And u never saw VK kickboxing. Kickboxing utilises legs aswell as punches it is a different sport. U probably don't even know about kickboxing anyway. Stop with the Pele Reid crap, he was brutalised by O Norris and J Francis both of whom Vitali stopped easily in boxing.

U criticise VK's chin yet make out Ali's was better! He was sparked out by 185lb CW Henry Cooper. Point me to were that happened with VK.

[OMGWTF]

(QUOTE) Who did he beat that was comparable to prime lewis.

Larry (abiet an older larry) and many other tall hard hitting long armed fighters with solid chins or not. Lewis was KOed by Rahman his chin cant take Tysons punch. Tysons chin on the other hand is much more likely to hold up..

[QUOTE] Do u mean FLOORED? LOL. And Tyson has been brutally stopped by much lesser punchers than K2!.

Yes I mean floored everyone makes a spelling error once in a while its not cool to insult someone based on that. Vitali has a weak punch, buster dougless hits alot harder than vitali. .

(QUOTE) Whats your point? How did Tyson do against lewis' and Williams punches and how did VK do? Being wobbled is not comparable to being KTFO by Douglas or Holyfield or Williams! Lewis and Sanders are giant punchers and he took there best shots....his chin is iron!.


His chin is not iron he has a solid chin and good defense he almost crumbled against sanders, and sanders is no where near as powerful as Tyson. A past prime Tyson took loads of flush shots from Lennox and he never got KOed fully, again another reason why he would beat Lewsis in his prime. .

Tyson was never KOTFO by anyone, missed the count sure never KOTFO and he takes an INSANE number of power punches to be put down. Huge numbers go check how many times danny hit him full power in the head in a row. (Which he never would have done to a prime Tyson with some of the best head movement).




[QUOTE] Only someone with an exceptional chin or power could beat a prime Tyson[/SIZE] e.g. holyfield ali for chin and perhaps a slugger like foreman could beat him too, buster dougless was a fluke 9/10 times Tyson would beat buster dougless.
And Douglas LOL.
And u never saw VK kickboxing. Kickboxing utilises legs aswell as punches it is a different sport. U probably don't even know about kickboxing anyway. Stop with the Pele Reid crap, he was brutalised by O Norris and J Francis both of whom Vitali stopped easily in boxing..


Bottem line Vitalis chin cannot take Tysons power if he is getting wobbled by much lesser punchers. Dougless hits harder than Vitali, just because he is low ranking in History dosnt mean he isnt a dangerous puncher. .


QUOTE U criticise VK's chin yet make out Ali's was better! He was sparked out by 185lb CW Henry Cooper. Point me to were that happened with VK.

Ali also took many full power shots from Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Liston, Joe, etc, .






IN CONCLUSION VITALI DOSNT HAVE THE CHIN OR THE POWER OR THE STYLE OR THE SPEED TO HOLD UP AGAINST A PRIME TYSON.

I LIKE VITALI HE IS A GREAT CHAMPION, BUT ITS A WEAK ERA HE HAS DOMINATED AND TYSON IS A VERY BAD STYLISTICAL MATCH UP FOR HIM.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Larry (abiet an older larry) and many other tall hard hitting long armed fighters with solid chins or not. Lewis was KOed by Rahman his chin cant take Tysons punch. Tysons chin on the other hand is much more likely to hold up..

A retired 40 yr old who had just lost twice to a former LHW and only had 2 months to prepare was comparable to prime SHW lewis LOL.

Yes I mean floored everyone makes a spelling error once in a while its not cool to insult someone based on that. Vitali has a weak punch, buster dougless hits alot harder than vitali. .

How do u get confused with Floored and Flawed!! LOL. And you talking about insulting ppl is laughable! Hypocrite. VK has a 87.23% knockout percentage rate, he holds the second best knockout-to-fight ratio of any champion in heavyweight boxing history.

Dicky Ryan was brutalised by VK yet went the distance with Douglas. Douglas couldn't even stop David Jaco who was knocked out about 9 times around the time Douglas fought him, in fact he was kayoed about 20 times in his career ! LOL. Quit talking shit...

His chin is not iron he has a solid chin and good defense he almost crumbled against sanders, and sanders is no where near as powerful as Tyson. A past prime Tyson took loads of flush shots from Lennox and he never got KOed fully, again another reason why he would beat Lewsis in his prime. .

Tyson was never KOTFO by anyone, missed the count sure never KOTFO and he takes an INSANE number of power punches to be put down. Huge numbers go check how many times danny hit him full power in the head in a row. (Which he never would have done to a prime Tyson with some of the best head movement).

Yes it is iron, He has never been dropped and look who he's faced! SHW behemoth Lewis on short notice, Sanders the hardest hiting southpaw HW ever, Peter who dropped both Toney and Wlad, even hide had riddick Bowe going at one point...Tyson was dropped by small Evander Holyfield and Douglass ffs...

Q. Shannon briggs who is the best fighter you have been in with?

A . Vitali.


Q. Danny Williams who was your toughest ever opponent?

A. "Vitali Klitschko easy. The man is so awkward. You know, you look at him and his style does not look that good. You look at Mayweather and you think ‘wow – what a beautiful boxing style he has got’. Klitschko – he looks ‘novicey’, he looks slow and awkward and clumsy. But when he gets in the ring he is a very good fighter. His punches are so painful, each time he hits you it is like someone is putting steel into your face. He is a real good fighter.”

Bottem line Vitalis chin cannot take Tysons power if he is getting wobbled by much lesser punchers. Dougless hits harder than Vitali, just because he is low ranking in History dosnt mean he isnt a dangerous puncher. .

How on earth can u be so dumb? Course it can...

Green, Tillis, Holyfield, Lewis, Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Ruddock etc al survived Tysons punches but VK cant? A genuine SHW that has never been dropped! Comparing sanders to Tyson is silly because it was his southpaw stance that posed the problem for VK not his power!

Rahman in 2000 said Sanders hit him harder than he's ever been hit in his ENTIRE LIFE. And Rahman has faced some heavy hitters, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Evander Holyfield, Oleg Maskaev, to name a few...

Sanders did not drop Vitali. Sanders landed the most perfect punch he could possibly land and still Vitali was fully recovered in matter of seconds. He ran back and was pretty much in balance. KO Vitali it takes something extraordinary.

IN CONCLUSION VITALI DOSNT HAVE THE CHIN OR THE POWER OR THE STYLE OR THE SPEED TO HOLD UP AGAINST A PRIME TYSON.

In conclusion u have not got a clue what u are talking about. A great chin and a solid jab was all it took..

[Beanflicker]

Basically Vitali has been flawed and wobbled by lesser punchers than the bombs Tyson throws, and thats a severe understatement, not many of you have seen vitali kickboxing, his chin isnt iron, its solid, but not Tyson solid and tall fighters are tailor made for Tysons style.

1. Vitali got knocked out by Pele Reid with a spinning kick. A punch from Tyson, Shavers, or Foreman doesn't hold a candle to a solid, flush kick from a professional kickboxer. You generate a lot more power with a kick than a punch. No one is taking that flush spinning kick from Pele Reid and staying conscious - I don't care how good your chin is. And that's not even mentioning the fact that Vitali was a kid back then, with a lanky "praying mantis" frame that wasn't yet built to take a huge forceful blow.

2. Tall fighters were tailor made for Tyson's style? Yeah, maybe guys like Dave Jaco. The truth is, like I mentioned he struggled with a complete can in 6'4'' Jameson, struggled offensively against 6'5'' Mitch Green as well as 6'4'' Bonecrusher Smith. Took 10 rounds to finish 6'5'' Ribalta, went the distance with 6'5'' Tony Tucker and took 7 rounds to finish 6'5'' Tyrell Biggs.Then of course he got destroyed by 6'4'' Buster Douglas and was given hell by 6'4'' Razor Ruddock.

That's prime Mike. If you want to go post-jail Mike, who were his losses? Holyfield of course beat his ass twice, then 6'5'' Lewis, 6'4'' Danny Williams and 6'6''/6'7'' Kevin Mcbride.

I don't know where you're getting this "tall fighters were made for Tyson" idea, because historically his WORST performances were against tall guys.

[Beanflicker]

This is the technique that KO'd Vitali. There's not a HW bomber, past or present, who could even come close to generating the kind of force that a skilled kickboxer can generate his with legs. That shit would have knocked out Chuvalo, Hagler and Mccall on the same day.

[OMGWTF]

basically vitali has been flawed and wobbled by lesser punchers than the bombs tyson throws, and thats a severe understatement, not many of you have seen vitali kickboxing, his chin isnt iron, its solid, but not tyson solid and tall fighters are tailor made for tysons style.

1. Vitali got knocked out by pele reid with a spinning kick. A punch from tyson, shavers, or foreman doesn't hold a candle to a solid, flush kick from a professional kickboxer. You generate a lot more power with a kick than a punch. No one is taking that flush spinning kick from pele reid and staying conscious - i don't care how good your chin is. And that's not even mentioning the fact that vitali was a kid back then, with a lanky "praying mantis" frame that wasn't yet built to take a huge forceful blow.

2. Tall fighters were tailor made for tyson's style? Yeah, maybe guys like dave jaco. The truth is, like i mentioned he struggled with a complete can in 6'4'' jameson, struggled offensively against 6'5'' mitch green as well as 6'4'' bonecrusher smith. Took 10 rounds to finish 6'5'' ribalta, went the distance with 6'5'' tony tucker and took 7 rounds to finish 6'5'' tyrell biggs.then of course he got destroyed by 6'4'' buster douglas and was given hell by 6'4'' razor ruddock.

That's prime mike. If you want to go post-jail mike, who were his losses? Holyfield of course beat his ass twice, then 6'5'' lewis, 6'4'' danny williams and 6'6''/6'7'' kevin mcbride.

I don't know where you're getting this "tall fighters were made for tyson" idea, because historically his worst performances were against tall guys.

fair enough point about kickboxing, a spinning heel kick is one of the surest kicks to ko if it lands

all those tall guys you mentioned tyson smashed lol

[Beanflicker]

I think a lot of you guys are really underestimating the Klitschkos. Yeah, Tyson was probably the greatest puncher in HW history (his combination of power + speed + punching variety is unmatched imo), but like any puncher, he needed to plant his feet.

You guys forget that he often had a lot of problems getting off and landing on big, tall guys who tied him up when he got close. Even 6'4'' bum Mike Jameson effectively tied Mike up and stifled his offense for the first few rounds. 6'4'' James Smith stifled his big punch largely, as did 6'5'' Tony Tucker.

Would Tyson beat the Klitschkos? Like I said, for me it's a toss up. But for all you who think Tyson would just walk in there and bomb them out because they caught punches from Corrie Sanders is just rediculous. The Klitschkos didn't dominate a division just by being big - they have the skill and the knowledge to back it up. They've been great at keep guys out of range and not allowed guys to get set.

[Fenster]

I think a lot of you guys are really underestimating the Klitschkos. Yeah, Tyson was probably the greatest puncher in HW history (his combination of power + speed + punching variety is unmatched imo), but like any puncher, he needed to plant his feet.

You guys forget that he often had a lot of problems getting off and landing on big, tall guys who tied him up when he got close. Even 6'4'' bum Mike Jameson effectively tied Mike up and stifled his offense for the first few rounds. 6'4'' James Smith stifled his big punch largely, as did 6'5'' Tony Tucker.

Would Tyson beat the Klitschkos? Like I said, for me it's a toss up. But for all you who think Tyson would just walk in there and bomb them out because they caught punches from Corrie Sanders is just rediculous. The Klitschkos didn't dominate a division just by being big - they have the skill and the knowledge to back it up. They've been great at keep guys out of range and not allowed guys to get set.

They're not the same person, they have completely different strengths and weaknesses. It's impossible to know whether either could have beaten the same opposition (well it's proven they couldn't).

Prime Tyson was fast and slick enough to crack thunderous punches onto both of their heads.

I'm not sure he'd beat Vitali, if Vitali took the early bombs there's a good chance his own output wears Tyson down, but I'm pretty certain Wlad would have crumbled. Anyone that unleashes an attack against Wlad has him under pressure, and there's not many in history that match Tyson for aggressive spurts.

[Beanflicker]

Prime Tyson was fast and slick enough to crack thunderous punches onto both of their heads.

Could be. I do know that neither Klitschko would just blow over like a card house along the lines of a David Jaco, like some posters seem to think.

It's a tough fight for Mike and it's a tough fight for either Klitschko. Tyson had a lot of power and speed but hey, so does David Haye. Not saying David Haye = Tyson, but Haye found out quickly that it's easier said than done to just go in there and bomb out a Klitschko. We're talking about two guys with serious size, punching power, speed, educated jabs and superior HW foot movement and range. It's a tough fight for Mike.

[Fenster]

Prime Tyson was fast and slick enough to crack thunderous punches onto both of their heads.

Could be. I do know that neither Klitschko would just blow over like a card house along the lines of a David Jaco, like some posters seem to think.

It's a tough fight for Mike and it's a tough fight for either Klitschko. Tyson had a lot of power and speed but hey, so does David Haye. Not saying David Haye = Tyson, but Haye found out quickly that it's easier said than done to just go in there and bomb out a Klitschko. We're talking about two guys with serious size, punching power, speed, educated jabs and superior HW foot movement and range. It's a tough fight for Mike.

The Terminator Klitschko model you're describing, which I agree is borderline unbeatable, is actually two seperate entities. The Klitschko's have different styles. Chins. Power. Speed. Movement. Stamina. Toughness. Bottle. Heart.

If Corrie Sanders had never ironed out Wlad no-one would currently believe it. If Vitali hadn't taken those bombs from Lewis most fans would not currently believe he could have competed with him.