Chuck Wepner's knockdown of Muhammad Ali 1975

[AdamGB]

And you're a complete moron ..

Say's the man who compared 3 time world champ VK to non-title winning kirk johnson punching bag Lou Savarese, gives proof of a bad chin with a kickboxing match and mixes up the word 'Flawed' with 'Floored' and explain's it away as a typo! Plantpot.

I posted the link where he tested positive and was kicked off. Even after he admits it himself

You lost any credibility the moment u started resorting to personal attacks. VK was prescribed a drug for a kickboxing injury by a doctor for a kickboxing incident 20 years ago, now give me the link that states VK and WK have tested positive in pro-boxing? The link u posted is irrelevant and was for an injury in another sport he has freely admitted it, pro boxing nowadays has rigid testing and he has always tested clean. VK is a clean HW

How many times?! - Shane Mosely never failed a test, Holyfield didn't either. Pro or Amature.

They're both clean? Right?

Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it... Yet you dismiss his failed test, happily buy the bullshit story that he gives and then go on to post an ancient interviews about Evander Holyfield knowing a guy who heard a story about Tyson taking PEDs and claim that it is 'worth a read'.

Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does.

Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?

When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...

Desperate for points much?

[TysonBomb]

Philosopher you are the worst nuthugger I've ever encountered.

You need Quitalis quack "physician" to prescribe you progesterone, another steroid, to stop your menstrual bleeding.

[brocktonblockbust]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

Gosh you certainly are a friendly bunch, I think i enjoy it here.

[Master]

Philosopher is an acquifer waiting for the deep ocean current to rehydrate the substantia nigra of Muhammad ali.

hey Philosopher, why so cranky all the time mate? Loosen up a bit, will ya?

Gosh you certainly are a friendly bunch, I think i enjoy it here.

You are welcome.

[AdamGB]

Philosopher are you really that dense? You choose to believe that testing is more advanced in this age, but you choose to ignore that DRUGS are a lot more advanced. There is more money to be made cheating than there is in testing, which area do you think gets more money and research?!... The drug labs are ALWAYS a step ahead.

Are you really missing my point regarding Shane Mosely?! He admitted to using PEDs... But he never failed one of your so called advanced tests.
Not failing a test is not a get out of jail free card. Boxing's tests are weak and the fact that they are scheduled make masking and cycling very easy.

'More advanced'... lol

"I did not state Tyson was on them Holyfield did."

Fuck off, don't feed me that shit... You post two seperate threads (one about 'evan fields, an old and exhausted issue and some annecdotal, ancient interview) about 90s fighters and PEDs... and you expect us not to see an ulterior motive or agenda? You think that an OLD interview about Holyfield saying that a guy says that Tyson took PEDs is 'worth talking about', but Vitali failing a drugs test is easily dismissed by you? Not biased at all are you?

You actually buy 'to treat an injury'? You'll actually believe Holyfield's excuse that he was using to treat hormone problems and injuries... right? Being unbiased and all.

'Roid rage' is more annecdotal shit. Give a little arsehole roids, he becomes a big arsehole. Never been shown in a scientific study.

When teenage tyson was robbing people, beating up garbage men and womanizing before he'd even boxed he had roid rage?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher are you really that dense?

A 4.2 on the creative insult scale. Well done.

Are you really missing my point regarding Shane Mosely?! He admitted to using PEDs... But he never failed one of your so called advanced tests. Not failing a test is not a get out of jail free card. Boxing's tests are weak and the fact that they are scheduled make masking and cycling very easy

So what you're basically saying is Mosley was on PEDS then? Dumbass admitted it and u just shot yourself in the foot too! Funny thing though this PED thing because my argument that testing is far more advanced these days is supported by the fact that more & more fighters are being outed lately!

Look at Wach or Tarver or Peterson! A K2 opponent has just been caught so unless they have some serious anti-detection squad beavering away on there behalf i suggest they are clean! Either that or they are Wizards! Just to be clear though adam...are you saying K2 are using steroids? A simple yes or no.

Fuck off, don't feed me that shit...

Less shouting and less effing valerie please! You have already stated test's are weak so which is it? You don't buy clean test's yet you don't buy the 'evans fields' thing which pretty has him banged to right's and you don't but Tyson was a candidate for roid's when he operated in the 80's & early 90's and was a walking headcase bursting at the seams! I will reserve judgement on Tyson for now. Yes VK failed a test as an amateur but he has remained clean ever since, benefit of the doubt must be given. I would like also your thoughts on WK? Your girlfriend (the one u came to the aid of!) seem's to think he is on roid's do u agree? I'm assuming u do as you claimed my argument was pretty weak (my argument being he is not!) My argument was also that VK is not comparable to Savarese i assume you disagree with me on that too? I am arguing for the incident in his amateur days' being a one off too as supported by the clean test's he has consistantly passed in this much stricter modern era! VK has admitted to this incident and i as a fan acknowledged it happened too. However he has been clean ever since. The incident was a one off prescribed by a quack to treat an injury those are the fact's.

You'll actually believe Holyfield's excuse that he was using to treat hormone problems and injuries... right? Being unbiased and all.

Holy by all account's had an entire pharmacy at his disposal LOL America is the drug capital of the world the Ukraine 20 years ago treated headaches with nettle soup. A Doping programme in the Ukraine was about as likely as a free NHS would be in the states today!

When teenage tyson was robbing people, beating up garbage men and womanizing before he'd even boxed he had roid rage?

Tyson was a disgusting individual who by your own admission robbed, raped and beat up people yet it is unfathomable to you to suggest he was on roid's? In the 80's aswell! LOL. Hardly a pillar of the community with impeccable moral virtue was he? Can u make yourself look more of an ignoramous?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Philosopher you are the worst nuthugger I've ever encountered.

You need Quitalis quack "physician" to prescribe you progesterone, another steroid, to stop your menstrual bleeding.

You need to learn that 'Flawed' is a shortcoming in something intangible, an imperfection! It does not mean KTFO.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

How many times?! - Shane Mosely never failed a test, Holyfield didn't either. Pro or Amature.

Mosley admitted to taking them. It's pretty much consensus that Holyfield was a doper (Failed or not).

OJ simpson is innocent.

Vitali HAS, no matter which way you spin it...

Yes he has but not as a professional, he freely admitted it in his Bio which is not the actions of an abuser!

Prescribed by a quack for an injury in another sport 20 years ago which had an adverse affect on his amateur career in boxing. If he was an abuser he would be stripped of his titles and not allowed to compete. Testing is far more advanced now and he has never failed. So he is clean, if u have evidence otherwise please provide it? K2 are strict advocates of testing.

Yeah... I think when it comes down to speculating over if a fighter is clean - some annecdotal story has much more credibility to it than a failed drug test in a fighter's history does.

I did not state Tyson was on them Holyfield did. If anyone was a candidate for roid rage though it was Tyson. The 80'S were rife with it.

Also, if you're going to get on your high horse over another posters grammar then you should probably stop saying 'u' all the time like some 'txtspkn' tweenage girl?

U know what? I rather appreciate the concern. U missed an apostrophe though.

When you have to quibble over whether a mistake was a typo or a Freudian slip then it just shows us hiw weak your argument is...

Desperate for points much?

My quibble with him was he compared VK to Savarese! And he also labelled WK an abuser too! I think my argument that those 2 statements are quite absurd is pretty solid! Do u not agree? I was just emphasising what an eejit he really is! Try reading the entire argument next time...

I seem to just open my mouth and upset people without realising it, apparantly :-) LOL.