Chuck Wepner's knockdown of Muhammad Ali 1975

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

How many tests did Shane Mosely fail?

He must have been clean.

Mosley admits he unknowingly took BALCO steroids - boxing - ESPN

Mosley admits he unknowingly (LOL) took BALCO steroids. Well documented. Failed zero tests but admitted to taking them.

America is rife with it. And im still a better popster than u.

[AdamGB]

And im still a better popster than u.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction, not capitalising 'I', missing the apostrophe in 'im' and still saying 'u'.

Following your lead I should be saying how stupid you are and that 'my tax pays for you', but I'll give the the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were being ironic in some vague way?

(I'll let 'popster' slide as I'm guessing it's either a typo or something that weird people say. Unless you're a pop musician?).

[brocktonblockbust]

thats nothing, he once wrote "He say's...."

rule: only use the apostrophe for a possessive or a contraction such as he is=he's

SAY'S just doesnt mean anything.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

And im still a better popster than u.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction, not capitalising 'I', missing the apostrophe in 'im' and still saying 'u'.

Following your lead I should be saying how stupid you are and that 'my tax pays for you', but I'll give the the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were being ironic in some vague way?

(I'll let 'popster' slide as I'm guessing it's either a typo or something that weird people say. Unless you're a pop musician?).

Thank you.To respond to that tirade would be to invite more drama. I like drama.

Adam i have long since learnt that any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself (mine included). It should not be too hard to find an example of your own faux pas. Excessive usage of the word 'the' stand's out! Fail. LOL.

Im glad you've set aside this special time for us both though. What are u trying to do score points?Grammar nazi!

[AdamGB]

My grammar doesn't need to be perfect... You're the one who originally brought grammar in to the discussion, not me.

Can I point out your hypocrisy with a typo present? I'd say yes.

I'm happy for you that I made that typo though (and probably your day), as it's all you seem to have been able to come back with (nothing relevant to anything remotely topical )... Your heart must have jumped when you saw it!

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

My grammar doesn't need to be perfect... You're the one who originally brought grammar in to the discussion, not me.

Can I point out your hypocrisy with a typo present? I'd say yes.

I'm happy for you that I made that typo though (and probably your day), as it's all you seem to have been able to come back with (nothing relevant to anything remotely topical )... Your heart must have jumped when you saw it!

Did i bring grammar ino the discusson with u? Or did u butt in? You got baited. Sarcasm escapes u too i see. Can we have more of your outrage over the slur on Tyson's character? That part was funny...

Spellcheck please.

[AdamGB]

Are you really missing what I'm saying about Shane Mosely?! Jesus Christ... It's so fucking simple.

I KNOW he admitted to taking PEDs, he didn't fail any tests in this modern era of 'more advanced testing' (as you see it)... Not because he didn't cheat, but because the tests are very lax.

Shane Mosely admits to cheating and still failed zero tests. He is proof positive that your claim that Vitali not failing tests as a pro cannot and does not remove all suspicion that he is 100%

I am outraged at a slur on Tyson? I just told you he was an awful person?! You claimed that steroids gave him roid rage and made him a bad person. I told you he was ALREADY a bad person.

Talk about missing the point, how can anyone expect to discuss things with you when you can't even follow a simple, linear argument?

So in the early 90s in ukraine they treat headaches with 'nettle soup', but a leg injury with anabolic steroids?

Great, I assume they also use sledgehammers to pin paper to pin boards?

A drugs program in the soviet block? :0 Unheard of!

When did I say I didn't buy the Evan Fields fiasco? I said that if you buy Vitali's 'the dr gave me magic pills for my poorly leg' excuse then you have to buy Holyfield's 'dr gave me magic pills for my health problems' excuse. You can't choose only one... Not unless you're a nut hugger. I think both excuse are bullshit... You're apparently happy to believe the one that lets you not think that your hero never knowingly cheated.


You think Tyson is a likely candidate for PED use based on the water tight evidence of 'Evander's friend says so', but you DON'T think Vitali is a likely candidate for PED use based on the undisputable fact that his history shows that he has been willing to use PEDs. That's all this comes down to.

Don't ever claim not to be a biased, nut hugging fanboy please.

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Are you really missing what I'm saying about Shane Mosely?! Jesus Christ... It's so fucking simple.

Ya i get what you're saying don't have a meltdown , im just asking the question do u think Mosley was on PEDS then Yes or no? With regards to VK, look It's all here- documented in this well-respected article written by a proper journalist at a proper paper. It is also discussed at length by Vitali in his Autobiography

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...oid-abuse.html

Now, I have read ALL of Holyfields books, and he does not discuss the Evan Fields phone call at all.

"He went to a normal Ukrainian doctor who gave him something that would heal it, but he didn't check the doping list," Boente said.

Klitschko admits that it was a steroid - and shortly afterwards the substance showed up in a routine drug test.

"They are not keeping this a secret," Boente said. "You have to remember this was the Ukraine of eight or nine years ago. Things are very different now.

"At first he was totally angry. He couldn't believe it."

In his eight-year professional career, Klitschko has been tested routinely for banned substances, including steroids, and has always been clean.

Tests for steroids are normal in Germany, where he had the majority of his contests during his rise to the championship. I believe he is a clean proffesional. You don't have too, its that simple!

I KNOW he admitted to taking PEDs, he didn't fail any tests in this modern era of 'more advanced testing' (as you see it)... Not because he didn't cheat, but because the tests are very lax.

Ya i get the Mosley thing i am just trying to ascertain wether you think VK is an habitual abuser? Yes or no? Simple answers are all i want. With regards to WK (u neglected to answer my question regarding him again) Give me some sources. Quotes. Something like the Evan Fields story, something that will stand up in the Court of Public Opinion. You think he is an abuser too then right?

Shane Mosely admits to cheating and still failed zero tests. He is proof positive that your claim that Vitali not failing tests as a pro cannot and does not remove all suspicion that he is 100%

Well i have my opinion you have yours. He freely discusses the subject and has remained clean. Do u agree Mosley was on them then? Holy? Yes or no?

I am outraged at a slur on Tyson? I just told you he was an awful person?! You claimed that steroids gave him roid rage and made him a bad person. I told you he was ALREADY a bad person.

So do u think it a possibility Tyson was on them? I never said they gave him roid rage i said he was a good candidate for roid rage and that i will reserve judgement.

So in the early 90s in ukraine they treat headaches with 'nettle soup', but a leg injury with anabolic steroids?

Was it an anabolic steroid?

Great, I assume they also use sledgehammers to pin paper to pin boards?

Why would they? Just use your hands.

A drugs program in the soviet block? :0 Unheard of!

The Old Soviet System that collapsed in....1990, 1991
They turned pro in 1996 after the ATLANTA OLYMPICS and everyone knows, in 1996 there was no Soviet System, they went to Germany in any case......

....not even David Haye made any accusations.

When did I say I didn't buy the Evan Fields fiasco? I said that if you buy Vitali's 'the dr gave me magic pills for my poorly leg' excuse then you have to buy Holyfield's 'dr gave me magic pills for my health problems' excuse. You can't choose only one... Not unless you're a nut hugger. I think both excuse are bullshit... You're apparently happy to believe the one that lets you not think that your hero never knowingly cheated.

Ironically, the only guy who volunteered to WADA testing was Wlad, and the only guy who openly discusses a failed test, in an AutoBio, of all places, is Vitali. VK is happy to discuss the subject and Wlad is massively anti-roids. Don't think he would be happy with a juiced up VK do u? Don't u think VK would sweep this under the carpet at all costs?

You think Tyson is a likely candidate for PED use based on the water tight evidence of 'Evander's friend says so', but you DON'T think Vitali is a likely candidate for PED use based on the undisputable fact that his history shows that he has been willing to use PEDs. That's all this comes down to.:

No not just because of that becuse he was a clear head case, his behaviour in the ring aswell as out of it was disgusting! He operated in the drug addled 80's too. Didn't Teddy Atlas also say Tyson was on them? Could be wrong. You yourself said clean test's are no proof of anything so it is entirely feesable to suggest Tyson may have been on them when you take into account his behaviour and his willingness to sink to every low depth imaginable.

Just how good was the testing back in the days of the Don King Ring? LOL Tyson is American and as long as there is money to be made by unscrupulous types he could do what he likes.

Don't ever claim not to be a biased, nut hugging fanboy please.

U sound upset?

[AdamGB]

My grammar doesn't need to be perfect... You're the one who originally brought grammar in to the discussion, not me.

Can I point out your hypocrisy with a typo present? I'd say yes.

I'm happy for you that I made that typo though (and probably your day), as it's all you seem to have been able to come back with (nothing relevant to anything remotely topical )... Your heart must have jumped when you saw it!

Did i bring grammar ino the discusson with u? Or did u butt in? You got baited. Sarcasm escapes u too i see. Can we have more of your outrage over the slur on Tyson's character? That part was funny...

Spellcheck please.

You tried a little bit too hard with the shitty spelling there. Sorry.
I don't think you quite grasp that my grammar doesn't need to be perfect to point out that resorting to critiquing a poster's grammar as a last resort because all of your other arguments have fallen flat, whilst possessing terrible grammar of your own is hypocritical?

I don't care if you weren't talking to me and I 'butted in'. This is an open forum and if your shit stinks then other posters can and will call you out on it.

Hypocrites and fanboy nuthuggers aren't liked on most message boards, this place is no different.

[brocktonblockbust]

My grammar doesn't need to be perfect... You're the one who originally brought grammar in to the discussion, not me.

Can I point out your hypocrisy with a typo present? I'd say yes.

I'm happy for you that I made that typo though (and probably your day), as it's all you seem to have been able to come back with (nothing relevant to anything remotely topical )... Your heart must have jumped when you saw it!

Did i bring grammar ino the discusson with u? Or did u butt in? You got baited. Sarcasm escapes u too i see. Can we have more of your outrage over the slur on Tyson's character? That part was funny...

Spellcheck please.

You tried a little bit too hard with the shitty spelling there. Sorry.
I don't think you quite grasp that my grammar doesn't need to be perfect to point out that resorting to critiquing a poster's grammar as a last resort because all of your other arguments have fallen flat, whilst possessing terrible grammar of your own is hypocritical?

I don't care if you weren't talking to me and I 'butted in'. This is an open forum and if your shit stinks then other posters can and will call you out on it.

Hypocrites and fanboy nuthuggers aren't liked on most message boards, this place is no different.

fragrant as hell

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

I don't think you quite grasp that my grammar doesn't need to be perfect to point out that resorting to critiquing a poster's grammar as a last resort because all of your other arguments have fallen flat, whilst possessing terrible grammar of your own is hypocritical?

I don't care if you weren't talking to me and I 'butted in'. This is an open forum and if your shit stinks then other posters can and will call you out on it.

Hypocrites and fanboy nuthuggers aren't liked on most message boards, this place is no different.

Actually i was emphasising how dumb he was after he suggested VK is comparable to Savarese and WK is a juicer! That was my argument cupcake not his grammar. Do u agree with his assertion? Yes or no? You must do as i disagree with him and my argument is based on both of those statements being utter bullcrap.

I pointed out 'Flawed' is not comparable to 'Floored' that was all...it was a way of emphasising what a fuckstick he is! (Note also that he never got back to me because he knows that non-title winning Savarese is not comparable to VK and that Wlad openly volunteered to WADA testing!) Are u his lover or summat?

You then got on your high horse with that pretentious conjunction crap and fucked your post up anyway! LOL. Oh and that 'Popster' thing it was a deliberate typo same with the 'U's etc

Well done for highlighting it and doing the exact same thing u r critiquing me for. Sucker. LOL only playing...

Simple really, i am just trying to establish your stance on the following as you call my argument weak:

-VK is an habitual steroid abuser?

-Wk is a juicer?

-Savarese is comparable to VK?

I disagree with all 3.