I hear a lot of people talking about 'haters' these days... Usually it's by people who want to use it as a catch all phrase to dismiss anybody who raises a legitimate point or criticism against them. Just saying.

You're really not getting it are you?...

I'm not saying Wlad is definitely a cheat
I'm not saying that Vitali is definitely a cheat (anymore)
I'm not saying Tyson definitely wasn't a cheat
I'm definitely NOT saying that Evan Fields didn't catch Evander red handed

I did not give a definite stance on any, nor do I mean to. You've shown that you can't follow a linear argument or have an objective discussion. As I said, I'm just here to tell you your shit stinks of fanboy, that's all...

I AM saying that your K2 nuthugging is causing a great deal of inconsistent logic from you...

You don't believe Holyfield when he uses the 'I didn't know what I was taking, it was from a Dr. to treat a health condition/injury' excuse that EVERYBODY who gets caught uses... So why believe it when Vitali says the same bullshit?

You think Holyfield 'knowing a guy who knows a guy who says Tyson took PEDs' is worthy of discussion, but you dismiss anybody raising their eyebrows at Vitali actually failing a test as a 'hater'.

How can you not see the double standards.

I'm glad you finally understand that Shane Mosely and Evander Holyfield are proof that you can use PEDs in this age and still not fail a test... Fuck, it only took me 4 posts to get it through your skull.

The drawing pin analogy seems to have gone over you head though, I'd dumb it down for you, but I can't be bothered to post 4 more times.

As for Vitali's kickboxing injury, is this the same thigh injury he made up instead of just admitting that Pele Reid kicked him in the jaw? Or is his thigh in his Jaw? Vitali would never lie... right?

I don't give a flying fuck about Saverese. I'm telling you that going after another posters grammar when yours sucks is hypocritical and even if it weren't - it still makes you look desperate. Whether you do the smart thing and take that onboard and become a better 'popster' for it is up to you though.