Society

[El Kabong]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

[Andre]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

Why did you say that extreme?

Society is already hurting but only one end of it is in pain.

The mega rich are well out of reach and are protected by laws so they can hide their money and evade taxes better than the rest of us can. They hand jobs over to their relatives and friends. Nothing else has to be read into it.

[Beanz]

This is an Illustration of a rich banker. It is fittingly taken from the game MONOPOLY, or as our kids used to call it "Money Monopoly" It is a game that tears families apart. One family member ends up controlling all the businesses and property and wields that power over everyone else, taking rent from them round after round until everyone else is bankrupt. It is a great lesson on how not to live ones life. Money is fine but money obtained in unreasonable amounts at the expense of others with total awareness of the consequences that brings, often involving liquidation of small family businesses, the loss of individuals homes and the life savings of pensioners is inherently evil.

[El Kabong]

Monopoly is a 0 sum game whereas real life is not a 0 sum game

[VictorCharlie]

Watching people get whipped into a frenzy over class warfare reminds of Southern Baptists going crazy over booze and dancing. The world is always changing and with more technology and automation we just don't need as much unskilled/blue collar labor. Adult should be honest with young people that if they do not acquire a marketable skill then they are setting themselves up for a life of struggle. This would be much more constructive than bitterly blaming very successful people after that fact for the failures in ones life. There is no finite amount of money or wealth in this world and no one has a "fair" share. You get what you earn and some of us just have to work that much harder. I am firmly in the middle class in the US. All of that is due to a variety of choices I made not a lack of opportunity but I have no intention of staying here and damn sure don't plan on blaming a banker who is doing exactly what each and everyone of us does, act in his and his family's best interest for my lot in life.

To tie back into the dole/welfare discussion; prior to nationwide government assistance people found the support they needed in their families and communities. People lived with extended families and had cohesion in their communities. Not a perfect system and I'm sure people fell through the cracks but support was provided and a shared sacrifice formed strong bonds. When the government is the overwhelming support service these ties loosen. I 100% agree with Lyle that an expanded welfare state has contributed to the destruction of the traditional family by perpetuating the poverty circle and diminishing family and community support and that this destruction is the number 1 catalyst for crime. Any support should managed at the most local level and be just enough. Being on assistance should so uncomfortable that you would never make a conscious decision to stay on it. As Penn Jillete says:

"It’s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness.

People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we’re compassionate we’ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint."

If we as human beings are not willing to personally give of our time, effort and wealth to help or local fellow man then we deserve the depraved culture around the corner.

[VictorCharlie]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

Why did you say that extreme?

Society is already hurting but only one end of it is in pain.

The mega rich are well out of reach and are protected by laws so they can hide their money and evade taxes better than the rest of us can. They hand jobs over to their relatives and friends. Nothing else has to be read into it.

Why is this demonized? If I told you a legal way to save some money on your taxes wouldn't you do it? Who honestly thinks there is something wrong with wanting to keep as much of your earned money as possible? Have we not all used our position, influence or knowledge to help a family member or friend get a leg up? When did this become a bad thing? Why is ok for some of us to do what is in our best interests but not others?

[Andre]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

Why did you say that extreme?

Society is already hurting but only one end of it is in pain.

The mega rich are well out of reach and are protected by laws so they can hide their money and evade taxes better than the rest of us can. They hand jobs over to their relatives and friends. Nothing else has to be read into it.

Why is this demonized? If I told you a legal way to save some money on your taxes wouldn't you do it? Who honestly thinks there is something wrong with wanting to keep as much of your earned money as possible? Have we not all used our position, influence or knowledge to help a family member or friend get a leg up? When did this become a bad thing? Why is ok for some of us to do what is in our best interests but not others?

No. you see from Lyles first comment he is insinuating we all think that the Rich are Evil and the poor have no control over their lives and went on to say: No wonder that kind of mentality hurts society. He said that;

I asked why he did that. Then wrote what I did, which is: I think the same question you are asking me that I asked him. Why demonize it? Noone else has said that, then I went on to say, why it is inherently set up that way, with the poor hurting in the shallow end of the money pool;(an observation) then I wrote; Nothing else has to be read into it.

ie why head to the extreme to more of a rift and try and make this 'another political thread' by creating sides, instead of continuing the discussion as per its title and seeing what eventually gives.

Instead it will turn into a blame game with political sides being drawn and zero headway being made much like real lifes excuse for why people are not caring about others.

( Each side that is political are too busy pointing the finger trying to justify their own life/stance for the most part to personally bother getting out there to help others.)

And Im not insinuating anyone or anything here,its an observation on how others use energy to do nothing. Lyle personally does a lot for his community, as do others on both sides, then theres the rest who blame game everything.

[brocktonblockbust]

nothing wrong with being rich. nothing wrong with being poor. we are all rich and poor at the same time. we are rich because we are filled with the Atomic Vibrations of Electrons and Protons and Neutrons which have coalesced by some Magick into atoms and molecules and we are actually stardust from the original ONE;

we are poor because we will all lose everything we imagine that we have earned materially. and we are poor in spirit as well because usually we do not realize or honor the fact I stated above about why we are all rich. We shouldnt need to remind ourselves why we are all rich. But we always forget. What you have in your bank account is what moths, rust and robbers can relieve you of, like taking a shit in the toilet---your money is shit and it is flushed down the drain of life. flush flush flush, bye bye, to the sewer.

We need to find out how to be eternal beings and meld with the ONE, the ONE which is the ALL, which is eternal and forever and unchanging MIND. Call that Heaven, I dont care what you call it, but I'd rather have that than all the queen's rubies and sulphur.

[killersheep]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

[Andre]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Bang on, it may cause change for the better if we get real lucky or maybe compassionate.

[Dia bando]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Yes I go with the point you made, but say I have 10 house's I can only live in one at a time, some
have so MUCH, were others have so little the gap is far to wide.
This is my take you have a Doctor, his earnings say hundred thousand £ a year, his cleaner that
keeps his surgery clean, say they earn £6000 per year.
The Doctor you would say saves lives etc, and is paid accordingly but why do we undervalue the cleaner there job is important.
In one Scandinavian country I can't recall which one, the gap is much less they value both people
have they got it right maybe.

[Andre]

nothing wrong with being rich. nothing wrong with being poor. we are all rich and poor at the same time. we are rich because we are filled with the Atomic Vibrations of Electrons and Protons and Neutrons which have coalesced by some Magick into atoms and molecules and we are actually stardust from the original ONE;

we are poor because we will all lose everything we imagine that we have earned materially. and we are poor in spirit as well because usually we do not realize or honor the fact I stated above about why we are all rich. We shouldnt need to remind ourselves why we are all rich. But we always forget. What you have in your bank account is what moths, rust and robbers can relieve you of, like taking a shit in the toilet---your money is shit and it is flushed down the drain of life. flush flush flush, bye bye, to the sewer.

We need to find out how to be eternal beings and meld with the ONE, the ONE which is the ALL, which is eternal and forever and unchanging MIND. Call that Heaven, I dont care what you call it, but I'd rather have that than all the queen's rubies and sulphur.

Nice work Brock,
Id rather that too.
But I still dont want to starve to death like many 3rd worlders or have no hope of physical advancement as is being allowed to occur in poorer areas locally and globally, in the mean time: while waiting for my eternal indestructible electrons to reform into the One. I hope they will follow my latest intentions,they usually do.

Money does become more than 'an exchange of energy,' when power of a position can pull the most of it for less out put, its then at another persons expense. Storage for storage sake and accumulation is another false thing you have raised.Now people store for their future generations and will fight to the end for it thats greed they will even send your kids off to fight for it.

I hope we can eventually prove that we as humans are above a food chain mentality. I hope we can bend that line around from top to bottom, circle it up like eternity so we start to look after the lower sections better. It can only be done one by one now from the ground level in action personally from one to another, society isnt wholly geared for it any more. High society do have a big DO once a year for the poor though in a group effort or auction etc, you have to give the nod where its due, theres good and bad in each race also in each society class,but at the end of the day it begins or ends with you and me.