Society

[VictorCharlie]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

Why did you say that extreme?

Society is already hurting but only one end of it is in pain.

The mega rich are well out of reach and are protected by laws so they can hide their money and evade taxes better than the rest of us can. They hand jobs over to their relatives and friends. Nothing else has to be read into it.

Why is this demonized? If I told you a legal way to save some money on your taxes wouldn't you do it? Who honestly thinks there is something wrong with wanting to keep as much of your earned money as possible? Have we not all used our position, influence or knowledge to help a family member or friend get a leg up? When did this become a bad thing? Why is ok for some of us to do what is in our best interests but not others?

[Andre]

So wealthy people are inherently evil and the poor have 0 control over their lives Gee I wonder how that kind of mentality could hurt society

Why did you say that extreme?

Society is already hurting but only one end of it is in pain.

The mega rich are well out of reach and are protected by laws so they can hide their money and evade taxes better than the rest of us can. They hand jobs over to their relatives and friends. Nothing else has to be read into it.

Why is this demonized? If I told you a legal way to save some money on your taxes wouldn't you do it? Who honestly thinks there is something wrong with wanting to keep as much of your earned money as possible? Have we not all used our position, influence or knowledge to help a family member or friend get a leg up? When did this become a bad thing? Why is ok for some of us to do what is in our best interests but not others?

No. you see from Lyles first comment he is insinuating we all think that the Rich are Evil and the poor have no control over their lives and went on to say: No wonder that kind of mentality hurts society. He said that;

I asked why he did that. Then wrote what I did, which is: I think the same question you are asking me that I asked him. Why demonize it? Noone else has said that, then I went on to say, why it is inherently set up that way, with the poor hurting in the shallow end of the money pool;(an observation) then I wrote; Nothing else has to be read into it.

ie why head to the extreme to more of a rift and try and make this 'another political thread' by creating sides, instead of continuing the discussion as per its title and seeing what eventually gives.

Instead it will turn into a blame game with political sides being drawn and zero headway being made much like real lifes excuse for why people are not caring about others.

( Each side that is political are too busy pointing the finger trying to justify their own life/stance for the most part to personally bother getting out there to help others.)

And Im not insinuating anyone or anything here,its an observation on how others use energy to do nothing. Lyle personally does a lot for his community, as do others on both sides, then theres the rest who blame game everything.

[brocktonblockbust]

nothing wrong with being rich. nothing wrong with being poor. we are all rich and poor at the same time. we are rich because we are filled with the Atomic Vibrations of Electrons and Protons and Neutrons which have coalesced by some Magick into atoms and molecules and we are actually stardust from the original ONE;

we are poor because we will all lose everything we imagine that we have earned materially. and we are poor in spirit as well because usually we do not realize or honor the fact I stated above about why we are all rich. We shouldnt need to remind ourselves why we are all rich. But we always forget. What you have in your bank account is what moths, rust and robbers can relieve you of, like taking a shit in the toilet---your money is shit and it is flushed down the drain of life. flush flush flush, bye bye, to the sewer.

We need to find out how to be eternal beings and meld with the ONE, the ONE which is the ALL, which is eternal and forever and unchanging MIND. Call that Heaven, I dont care what you call it, but I'd rather have that than all the queen's rubies and sulphur.

[killersheep]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

[Andre]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Bang on, it may cause change for the better if we get real lucky or maybe compassionate.

[Dia bando]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Yes I go with the point you made, but say I have 10 house's I can only live in one at a time, some
have so MUCH, were others have so little the gap is far to wide.
This is my take you have a Doctor, his earnings say hundred thousand £ a year, his cleaner that
keeps his surgery clean, say they earn £6000 per year.
The Doctor you would say saves lives etc, and is paid accordingly but why do we undervalue the cleaner there job is important.
In one Scandinavian country I can't recall which one, the gap is much less they value both people
have they got it right maybe.

[Andre]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Yes I go with the point you made, but say I have 10 house's I can only live in one at a time, some
have so MUCH, were others have so little the gap is far to wide.
This is my take you have a Doctor, his earnings say hundred thousand £ a year, his cleaner that
keeps his surgery clean, say they earn £6000 per year.
The Doctor you would say saves lives etc, and is paid accordingly but why do we undervalue the cleaner there job is important.
In one Scandinavian country I can't recall which one, the gap is much less they value both people
have they got it right maybe.

In some cases like the doctors case here, it cost him a fortune in time and money to get where he got to,he also has to be on call and also had to do some really dirty work before becoming a Gp. He also has to pay rent on the building and public liability insurance as well as all the other insurances incl building and accident.

[Beanz]

You can justify means of state ordered assistance, you can call it immoral, you can vilify the rich for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the poor for taking advantage of a system, you can vilify the system itself. At the end of the day none of it matters, there simply are not enough resources to sustain the standard of living we have learned to expect in modern life.

Yes I go with the point you made, but say I have 10 house's I can only live in one at a time, some
have so MUCH, were others have so little the gap is far to wide.
This is my take you have a Doctor, his earnings say hundred thousand £ a year, his cleaner that
keeps his surgery clean, say they earn £6000 per year.
The Doctor you would say saves lives etc, and is paid accordingly but why do we undervalue the cleaner there job is important.
In one Scandinavian country I can't recall which one, the gap is much less they value both people
have they got it right maybe.

In some cases like the doctors case here, it cost him a fortune in time and money to get where he got to,he also has to be on call and also had to do some really dirty work before becoming a Gp. He also has to pay rent on the building and public liability insurance as well as all the other insurances incl building and accident.

I know what you are saying but MEH a bit. My doctor is a nit and sometimes I feel I would be better sitting down and speaking to the cleaner for five minutes. There is also the fact that there are care workers like my daughter on the national minimum wage of £6 an hour who have to sit with those dieing in pain while some doctors can not even be bothered to write a morphine prescription. She then has to wash and prep the recently deceased as well as the dealing with peoples day to day bodily functions etc while a doctor sits in his office. UK doctors (General Practitioners) usually don't work out of hours any more that is another service.

Doctors may not be the best example but there comes a point where people lose touch with the everyday lives of the people who they are there to serve, those who pay their wages. When I worked in the Criminal Justice system this was very apparent with Barristers, (Junior and QC's) but particularly Judges who with no idea of the impossible conditions that legal case workers, Police, Court and administrative staff had to work under and would Lord it above all and sundry even outside of the courtroom.

[Andre]

nothing wrong with being rich. nothing wrong with being poor. we are all rich and poor at the same time. we are rich because we are filled with the Atomic Vibrations of Electrons and Protons and Neutrons which have coalesced by some Magick into atoms and molecules and we are actually stardust from the original ONE;

we are poor because we will all lose everything we imagine that we have earned materially. and we are poor in spirit as well because usually we do not realize or honor the fact I stated above about why we are all rich. We shouldnt need to remind ourselves why we are all rich. But we always forget. What you have in your bank account is what moths, rust and robbers can relieve you of, like taking a shit in the toilet---your money is shit and it is flushed down the drain of life. flush flush flush, bye bye, to the sewer.

We need to find out how to be eternal beings and meld with the ONE, the ONE which is the ALL, which is eternal and forever and unchanging MIND. Call that Heaven, I dont care what you call it, but I'd rather have that than all the queen's rubies and sulphur.

Nice work Brock,
Id rather that too.
But I still dont want to starve to death like many 3rd worlders or have no hope of physical advancement as is being allowed to occur in poorer areas locally and globally, in the mean time: while waiting for my eternal indestructible electrons to reform into the One. I hope they will follow my latest intentions,they usually do.

Money does become more than 'an exchange of energy,' when power of a position can pull the most of it for less out put, its then at another persons expense. Storage for storage sake and accumulation is another false thing you have raised.Now people store for their future generations and will fight to the end for it thats greed they will even send your kids off to fight for it.

I hope we can eventually prove that we as humans are above a food chain mentality. I hope we can bend that line around from top to bottom, circle it up like eternity so we start to look after the lower sections better. It can only be done one by one now from the ground level in action personally from one to another, society isnt wholly geared for it any more. High society do have a big DO once a year for the poor though in a group effort or auction etc, you have to give the nod where its due, theres good and bad in each race also in each society class,but at the end of the day it begins or ends with you and me.