From how many fights should Ali have been DQ'ed for holding?

[greynotsoold]

Eddie Futch complained loud and long about Ali's tactics on many occasions. There was quite a bit of turmoil over this, and over the referee named to work the fight in Manila. The thing about is, Ali kept saying he was the greatest, and people- even referees and commentators that should have remained neutral- bought into it. It alternately cracks me up/pisses me off when you talk to somebody who knows nothing of boxing, never watches the fights, can't tell a left hook from a straight right, but they are sure that Ali is the greatest of all time. And treat you like you're stupid if you disagree.

[El Kabong]

Eddie Futch complained loud and long about Ali's tactics on many occasions. There was quite a bit of turmoil over this, and over the referee named to work the fight in Manila. The thing about is, Ali kept saying he was the greatest, and people- even referees and commentators that should have remained neutral- bought into it. It alternately cracks me up/pisses me off when you talk to somebody who knows nothing of boxing, never watches the fights, can't tell a left hook from a straight right, but they are sure that Ali is the greatest of all time. And treat you like you're stupid if you disagree.

I remember HBO doing a special on Ali-Frazier and Bryant Gumbel said something to the effect of "When Frazier won, you got the feeling that the bad guy won"......




Who calls Joe Frazier "the bad guy"...everyone put their emotions in with Ali which is why he gets a pass for everything he ever did. From calling The Beatles "fags", to calling other black boxers "Uncle Toms", and calling Joe Frazier a "gorilla". Muhammad Ali was a hateful prick, a great fighter...no doubt he won a lot, but he got away with more hateful bullshit than any other fighter in the history of the game....ooooh but I should feel sorry for him because the punches caught up to him in a big way, yeah I don't think so. He can feel the pain he put Joe Frazier through for the rest of his life