would you agree with the statement that

[El Kabong]

Great fights have nothing to do with selling PPV, it's purely down to the star power of the fighter.

Castillo-Corrales II was a massive PPV flop (150,000 buys) even though the first fight won "fight of the year" accolades all over the shop.

That Lennox-Vitali bill was PPV until Tyson dropped off the card.

#1 I call BS on that

#2 Corrales-Castillo II was a flop because Jose Luis Castillo didn't bother to make weight & right after that Corrales was guilty of the same thing...very unprofessional

#3 Lewis was originally scheduled to fight Kirk Johnson & Vitali was to fight Cedric Boswell...I didn't even know Tyson was even going to be on the card, but I knew that it was by no means a stellar lineup.

#4 99% of the fans wanted to see Vitali-Lewis II because it was a good competitive match and both big dudes came out swinging for the fences....they fought like the title meant something to them & they wanted to entertain the crowd which they did...thoroughly

[Beanflicker]

#2 Corrales-Castillo II was a flop because Jose Luis Castillo didn't bother to make weight & right after that Corrales was guilty of the same thing...very unprofessional

I think professionalism is the last thing the general public cares about when it comes to the question of whether or not to buy a PPV. Tyson was a convicted rapist and bit a guy's ear off in the ring and he drew well up until he retired. Floyd is also a convicted felon, a guy who more obnoxious than anyone, who has dropped people while they were looking away and he failed to make weight for JMM. But he's the biggest PPV draw in boxing history.

It's all about the star power. When it comes to JLC/Corrales, all us boxing fans knew it was gonna be a war, but the John Q Public never heard of either of them.

[El Kabong]

#2 Corrales-Castillo II was a flop because Jose Luis Castillo didn't bother to make weight & right after that Corrales was guilty of the same thing...very unprofessional

I think professionalism is the last thing the general public cares about when it comes to the question of whether or not to buy a PPV. Tyson was a convicted rapist and bit a guy's ear off in the ring and he drew well up until he retired. Floyd is also a convicted felon, a guy who more obnoxious than anyone, who has dropped people while they were looking away and he failed to make weight for JMM. But he's the biggest PPV draw in boxing history.

It's all about the star power. When it comes to JLC/Corrales, all us boxing fans knew it was gonna be a war, but the John Q Public never heard of either of them.

....the rematch wasn't a war it was a slaughter mainly due to the weight issue. People bought the later Tyson fights not because they knew who he was they didn't know what the fuck he was going to do.

[Beanflicker]

Corrales got caught with a perfect shot and went to sleep

[Fenster]

Great fights have nothing to do with selling PPV, it's purely down to the star power of the fighter.

Castillo-Corrales II was a massive PPV flop (150,000 buys) even though the first fight won "fight of the year" accolades all over the shop.

That Lennox-Vitali bill was PPV until Tyson dropped off the card.

#1 I call BS on that

#2 Corrales-Castillo II was a flop because Jose Luis Castillo didn't bother to make weight & right after that Corrales was guilty of the same thing...very unprofessional

#3 Lewis was originally scheduled to fight Kirk Johnson & Vitali was to fight Cedric Boswell...I didn't even know Tyson was even going to be on the card, but I knew that it was by no means a stellar lineup.

#4 99% of the fans wanted to see Vitali-Lewis II because it was a good competitive match and both big dudes came out swinging for the fences....they fought like the title meant something to them & they wanted to entertain the crowd which they did...thoroughly

1. ......

2. This is very naive - a) to think the general public give a fuck about a few pounds overweight is ridiculous b) even more ridiculous is to think the success of a PPV is determined 24 hours before the event. They spend months selling and hyping a fight. So you think everyone that buys PPV waits until the weigh-in and orders at the last minute? If that's the case (and it's so silly I shouldn't be asking a question) - how did Floyd have a spectacular PPV success with Marquez when he weighed in above the limit?

3. Proves my point. Tyson on the bill it was PPV. Tyson off the bill it was not PPV.

4. Lewis-Vitali was a great fight. However, neither were a PPV attraction. If the fight was such a big deal, one where Vitali crossed over to the American mainstream, then how come he didn't become a big star? That was 10 years ago.

Floyd can fight no-names and do massive numbers. Tyson fought no-names and did massive numbers. Oscar fought no-names and did massive numbers. David Haye and Ricky Hatton, in Britain, fought no-names and did massive numbers. Wlad sells thousands of tickets in Germany. The general public buy into THE fighter not the fight. That's all i'm saying. Fact.

[El Kabong]

Not making weight meant it wasn't a title fight

Who was Tyson scheduled to fight?

Vitali was making a good name for himself... the rematch most certainly would have been PPV as would Vitali-Tyson but Tyson couldn't make it past Williams who nobody knew of. Had it not been for injuries and Kalle Sauerland Vitali would have been a PPV staple. Vitali-Arreola could have been bigger if Cris put down the fork for 2 minutes.

[TysonBomb]

lets face it

K2 destroyed boxing ... they've made it unwatchable

people would rather watch Tyson spar at his current age than watch a K2 fight

[El Kabong]

lets face it

K2 destroyed boxing ... they've made it unwatchable

people would rather watch Tyson spar at his current age than watch a K2 fight

Well why don't you whine about it

[Master]

El Kabong you were away when TysonBomb joined the forum, you two will get on like a house on fire.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Please don't make this a Tyson v Klitschko thread.

[El Kabong]

El Kabong you were away when TysonBomb joined the forum, you two will get on like a house on fire.

I know the type.... its like Mike Tyson invented boxing and God himself couldn't beat Tyson in his mythical "prime"