Hugo Chavez passes away

[TitoFan]

Over the years I've had the opportunity to work with several Venezuelans who have emigrated to Puerto Rico. This one older lady in particular was very well educated and had a very good job at a pharmaceutical facility there. In coming to Puerto Rico, she left houses and family behind. She was pretty disdainful of Chavez, and I think it mostly had to do with the intolerance shown by his government regarding opposing viewpoints, as well as anyone, or any organization he perceived as a threat to his power. And it was well-known that his burning desire was to become President for life. He won a referendum to eliminate term limits.

But maybe it's a bit like Cuba, from which coincidentally Fidel Castro was one of his very best friends. Most if not all the people who have left Cuba hate Castro... and maybe it's the same with Venezuela. Those who have remained either have been unable to leave, or maybe they have genuine affection for their respective leaders.

[VictorCharlie]

At the risk of being told I'm "sitting on the fence", here's an article that talks of both the good and the bad of Hugo Chavez. For the record, and as I've stated before, I personally met several professional, middle-class Venezuelans who emigrated to Puerto Rico... who had more bad stories to tell than good.


Hugo Chavez dies of cancer: a mixed legacy for Venezuela | Left Foot Forward

Please tell us some of these stories....Kirkland might learn something

Come on Lyle you know better than that. Kirk doesn't watch videos, read articles and he damn sure isn't interested in anecdotal statements. If it isn't from George Soro's prescribed reading list it doesn't count.

[TitoFan]

Another interesting article on Hugo Chavez.


Hugo Chavez: Great Timing, Awful Leadership - The Daily Beast

[Kirkland Laing]

@Kirkland Laing ,

If I could, i'd piss on Chavez' grave, as well as any other South American anti-American dictator. What makes Chavez any different from Cuba's Castro, North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un, Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or any other sworn enemy of the U.S?

...ummm he "wanted to help the poor" ...DUH! it's completely erroneous that the man simply pocketed the cash from nationalizing oil fields, he wanted to help the poor.....he had good intentions man...and by God that counts for something eh comrade?

What you've got to remember is, it's all Bush's and/or America's fault that Chavez stole 100's of millions that never funneled down to the poor.

I'm not sure Chavez stole hundreds of millions. He certainly set his family up with various lucrative business opportunities in the part of Venezuela he comes from. And there was defnitely massive corruption in the Chavez government. But this is Venezuela we're talking about, a banana republic that used to be run by a few dozen families who used to keep all the dough, it's not going to become Switzerland in five minutes is it? Two-thirds of Venezuelans didn't even have electricity when Chavez came to power. Now the country has electricity, education, healthcare and so on. That would never have happened under the previous regimes.

So you're unaccountably hating a guy who did absolutely immense good in his own country because of stuff you read in the liberal media. It's amazing how powerful those guys are.

Why do you think, me Lyle and Charlie, et al, are just parroting what the liberal media barfs up, and not expressing our own opinions? That's seems especially lame, since none of us are liberals?

As for hating Chavez, not really, I just have no respect for cock-waving dictators who are sworn enemies of the U.S.

What I'm saying is the media isn't liberal. Anybody that goes against US corporate interests is demonised by all US media. Thus Cyhavez, a democratically elected leader becomes a dictator who is a deadly enemy of the United States. Again, if he hadn't fucked with the 1% oil thing you'd never have heard of him. Without googling, who was the previous Venezuelan leader? How much US media coverage did he get? Who is the current president of Peru? Yeah.

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, allow me to get this straight. Venezuela is a "Banana Republic", There was "Massive corruption in the Chavez government", but there he was "democratically elected"? So this guy in a corrupt country with a corrupt regime got elected and it was 100% on the up & up


As for the economy....5 Ways Chavez Has Destroyed the Venezuelan Economy - ABC News

There's corruption in every economy. There are corrupt politicians in the United States and the government is entirly corrupted by corporate money but they still manage to hold democratic elections. So why can't Venezuela.

Seeing as, like every other fucking subject on the planet, I've forgotten more about Venezuala than you know, let's look at the link you link. We'll go through it step by step and make it a learing experience for you. Firstly, they used a graph! See the end of growth and subsequent huge drop in GDP that started in 2000, one year after Chavez took office. What caused that? Why do you think it isn't mentioned in the article?

[El Kabong]

You want a graph Princess?

There you go sweetheart.

So up til 2000 you would tell me that Caracas was NOT just growing into a large shanty town but that George W. Bush destroyed those peoples' lives too.....you're pathetic......oh no you're not THAT'S George W. Bush's fault........what a fucking cunt you are, same old shit every fucking time "I've forgotten more about Venezuela ....." It must be uncomfortable to have your head that far up your own ass.....but hey like I said Chavez isn't a big deal, he was a huge talker but he never made a move against the US.

I thought it was cute when he called President Bush "Senor Peligroso"..."Mr. Danger" ....yeah he would have been dangerous had Huge-O made any military move

[Mars_ax]

OK, allow me to get this straight. Venezuela is a "Banana Republic", There was "Massive corruption in the Chavez government", but there he was "democratically elected"? So this guy in a corrupt country with a corrupt regime got elected and it was 100% on the up & up


As for the economy....5 Ways Chavez Has Destroyed the Venezuelan Economy - ABC News

There's corruption in every economy. There are corrupt politicians in the United States and the government is entirly corrupted by corporate money but they still manage to hold democratic elections. So why can't Venezuela.

Seeing as, like every other fucking subject on the planet, I've forgotten more about Venezuala than you know, let's look at the link you link. We'll go through it step by step and make it a learing experience for you. Firstly, they used a graph! See the end of growth and subsequent huge drop in GDP that started in 2000, one year after Chavez took office. What caused that? Why do you think it isn't mentioned in the article?

Check this graph out Kirk:

[Kirkland Laing]

Princess

sweetheart

So it is true what they say about Frenchmen.

If you want to post something substantive instead of just a big gay rant then I'll reply to it.

[Kirkland Laing]

OK, allow me to get this straight. Venezuela is a "Banana Republic", There was "Massive corruption in the Chavez government", but there he was "democratically elected"? So this guy in a corrupt country with a corrupt regime got elected and it was 100% on the up & up


As for the economy....5 Ways Chavez Has Destroyed the Venezuelan Economy - ABC News

There's corruption in every economy. There are corrupt politicians in the United States and the government is entirly corrupted by corporate money but they still manage to hold democratic elections. So why can't Venezuela.

Seeing as, like every other fucking subject on the planet, I've forgotten more about Venezuala than you know, let's look at the link you link. We'll go through it step by step and make it a learing experience for you. Firstly, they used a graph! See the end of growth and subsequent huge drop in GDP that started in 2000, one year after Chavez took office. What caused that? Why do you think it isn't mentioned in the article?

Check this graph out Kirk:

Post something substantive and I'll reply to it.

[El Kabong]

Princess

sweetheart

So it is true what they say about Frenchmen.

If you want to post something substantive instead of just a big gay rant then I'll reply to it.

French and gay? I thought you were supposed to be a bleeding heart and not post such hateful hurtful things. It's not becoming of you at all. I'm American & Conservative and I have more respect for the French than you do...but then again they aren't at war or threatening America so I could see where that would irk you.

I asked you if Caracas was going great guns before 2000 and you gave me no response. I guess George W. Bush made you misread that or forget about answering it.....is there no depth he won't sink to?!?!?!

[Kirkland Laing]

Princess

sweetheart

So it is true what they say about Frenchmen.

If you want to post something substantive instead of just a big gay rant then I'll reply to it.

French and gay? I thought you were supposed to be a bleeding heart and not post such hateful hurtful things. It's not becoming of you at all. I'm American & Conservative and I have more respect for the French than you do...but then again they aren't at war or threatening America so I could see where that would irk you.

I asked you if Caracas was going great guns before 2000 and you gave me no response. I guess George W. Bush made you misread that or forget about answering it.....is there no depth he won't sink to?!?!?!

I'm not making fun of your gayness, I'm helping you celebrate it. Who is currently threatening America?

I previously asked you why the Venezuelan economy did badly starting about a year after Chavez got elected but as per always you dodged the question and started ranting. When you answer my question I'll answer yours. I'll even help you answer it. It all started about five years before Chavez took office when the Venezuelan banking system collapsed due to them making risky investments and they were all closed down. The government forced the central bank to recapitalise them at taxpayers' expense (sound familiar?) and at the same time Venezuela's privately-owned oil company decided the taxpayers could pay for their next ten years' worth of investment. So what happened after that?

[El Kabong]

Princess

sweetheart

So it is true what they say about Frenchmen.

If you want to post something substantive instead of just a big gay rant then I'll reply to it.

French and gay? I thought you were supposed to be a bleeding heart and not post such hateful hurtful things. It's not becoming of you at all. I'm American & Conservative and I have more respect for the French than you do...but then again they aren't at war or threatening America so I could see where that would irk you.

I asked you if Caracas was going great guns before 2000 and you gave me no response. I guess George W. Bush made you misread that or forget about answering it.....is there no depth he won't sink to?!?!?!

I'm not making fun of your gayness, I'm helping you celebrate it. Who is currently threatening America?

I previously asked you why the Venezuelan economy did badly starting about a year after Chavez got elected but as per always you dodged the question and started ranting. When you answer my question I'll answer yours. I'll even help you answer it. It all started about five years before Chavez took office when the Venezuelan banking system collapsed due to them making risky investments and they were all closed down. The government forced the central bank to recapitalise them at taxpayers' expense (sound familiar?) and at the same time Venezuela's privately-owned oil company decided the taxpayers could pay for their next ten years' worth of investment. So what happened after that?

Oh no, I've been called gay over the internet...well my world is just in shambles . I didn't say anyone was threatening America, I said the French AREN'T which would justify your disdain for them but apparently you have issues with reading comprehension.

I asked you a question & you never answered and here were are again....start the merry-go-round of "Answer the question!" "That's not a legit source!" "Show me graphs!"....I'm tired of it. You're back on ignore.

[Kirkland Laing]

Princess

sweetheart

So it is true what they say about Frenchmen.

If you want to post something substantive instead of just a big gay rant then I'll reply to it.

French and gay? I thought you were supposed to be a bleeding heart and not post such hateful hurtful things. It's not becoming of you at all. I'm American & Conservative and I have more respect for the French than you do...but then again they aren't at war or threatening America so I could see where that would irk you.

I asked you if Caracas was going great guns before 2000 and you gave me no response. I guess George W. Bush made you misread that or forget about answering it.....is there no depth he won't sink to?!?!?!

I'm not making fun of your gayness, I'm helping you celebrate it. Who is currently threatening America?

I previously asked you why the Venezuelan economy did badly starting about a year after Chavez got elected but as per always you dodged the question and started ranting. When you answer my question I'll answer yours. I'll even help you answer it. It all started about five years before Chavez took office when the Venezuelan banking system collapsed due to them making risky investments and they were all closed down. The government forced the central bank to recapitalise them at taxpayers' expense (sound familiar?) and at the same time Venezuela's privately-owned oil company decided the taxpayers could pay for their next ten years' worth of investment. So what happened after that?

Oh no, I've been called gay over the internet...well my world is just in shambles . I didn't say anyone was threatening America, I said the French AREN'T which would justify your disdain for them but apparently you have issues with reading comprehension.

I asked you a question & you never answered and here were are again....start the merry-go-round of "Answer the question!" "That's not a legit source!" "Show me graphs!"....I'm tired of it. You're back on ignore.

[Kirkland Laing]

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In honour of his passing, I had his initials monogrammed on my bath taps