No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?

[Mrhydro]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

[hardcore_crash]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

[Mrhydro]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

[hardcore_crash]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

I don't think an athlete needs to start in order to be competitive, but it is getting increasingly harder not too.

Stop what? Usage? Fighting?

If there were more examples of athletes being competitive especially boxers, then we could make much better comparisons.

[hardcore_crash]

Archie Moore and George Foreman?

Foreman took a decade off of fighting between ages 28-38.
Didn't necessarily live in the gym, as Hopkins does, post retirement.
IMO, he relied on his power and natural abilities.

Moore? Simple, they don't make them like that anymore

[ross]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?

I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.

Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?

He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.

Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?

I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.

[Mrhydro]

So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.

If your talking about me... What the fuck are you on about?

I had no opinion on this fight beforehand, check out my posts. I didn't bet on it, I'm not a fan of either boring fighter.

Im saying I don't believe its possible for a 48 year old man to have a higher punch output now than he did 8 years ago. Explain why he wasn't punching that much 8 years ago against a lesser fighter than Calzaghe, Pascal, Dawson and Cloud?

He had a chance to take Pascal up on his offer to take tests a couple of years ago and rather than laughing it off and taking it as a compliment and actually proving how good he is by taking tests he spat the dummy out.

Hopkins is the kind of man that if he can prove something, he will. Has he not drummed that in to us and the media over the years with his little boring speaches?

I dont believe everyone is on steroids but we have been shown that when something looks too good to be true it is. Jones Jr, Mosley, Holyfield etc and not boxing but Lance Armstrong.

Cloud was tailor made for hopkins and it showed. Cloud couldnt fight like he fought against johnson or anyone else because hopkins was too smart for him. And 8 years ago he was weight drained against taylor who was supposed to be an animal but we know how that turned out. Tarver was a fraud who was more talk than anything. winky was above weight. Calzahge was too slap happy. But then Pavlick was easy for Hopklins so he must have been using. Right? Orneals was just not worthy so he must have been using. Pascal dropped him twice in the first fight so something was wrong. The second Pascal fight he won so he must have upped his dosage. Dawson was a pussy in the first fight and in the second fight he came in too soon. So he must be doing something right?