No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?

[Vendettos]

Explain how he is now throwing more punches than he was as a middlewieght 8 years ago?

His tactics are different?
He wasn't training right?

There's any reasons.

All bullshit.

You do not get better stamina or a better work rate than when you were in your 30s at forty fucking eight!

Read back what you said and then think, "oh yeah he is fucking 48"

Name another sport where someone has been able to do more work as they get older, let alone up to 48!

All the people saying "he lives a spartan lifestyle, doesnt drink or smoke and keeps himself in shape" will all be the same people rubbishing the rumours about Lance Armstrong for years. Naive...

Look at formanes return. He was smarter and he went the distance with an inform and in prime unbeaten Holyfield.

He never threw more punches but still.

I think you're another idiot tbh. PEDS PEDS PEDS.

1stly it is none of your business.
2ndly who gives a shit?

Like you say he's 48. So they've had a LONG time to catch him.

Jesus, get over it. I don't even like Hopkins, I hope he does get found out to be using them, but until then, stfu and watch the fights.

Haha! I do t want to upset you too much sissy knickers or you might "literally tightened up like I was going to cry" again....

No, Foreman never threw more punches than he did and Foremans thing was k ock out some bums or fight better opposition and just have the shit kicked out of you and take it while trying to land a single big shot. Whereas Hopkins is on a genuine world level and throwing more punches per fight now than he was 8 years ago as a middleweight.

Dont tighten up or cry

David Price was so unlucky.

But you don't have what it takes to make me cry princess

[Rantcatrat]

Frankly, after all we've seen, can't we say that practically every boxer takes PED's, unless they are committed to year-round, random, blood and urine testing? I didn't always have that opinion, but now, I can't help but think that unless someone is transparent with testing, it is suspicious.

[Kirkland Laing]

The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.

[DavilaJones]

The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.

Would high altitute training be comparable to Blood doping or the results won't even come close? As for HGH well I'm not sure. I'll just say this, like you the only boxer I know isn't juicing is Donaire and perhaphs rigo (for the simple fact he was so dominant in olympics for a long time that I highly doubt he'd start juicing now for no reason.)

[Kirkland Laing]

The only guy I'mk not suspicious about is Donaire. Hopkins could be taking EPO, which increases the amount of oxygen carried by the blood and so massively boosts stamina. All the cyclists take it. It's undetectable one hour after injecting. He could also be taking |HGH which improves recovery time and helps with injuries. Also basically undetectable. There are other things as well. Even if he is taking stuff, and he probably is, he's still an amzing fighter and a freak of nature.

Would high altitute training be comparable to Blood doping or the results won't even come close? As for HGH well I'm not sure. I'll just say this, like you the only boxer I know isn't juicing is Donaire and perhaphs rigo (for the simple fact he was so dominant in olympics for a long time that I highly doubt he'd start juicing now for no reason.)

If high altitude training was the same as PEDs the world's elite athletes would be training year-round in places like Mexico and Kenya. Instead they're all taking PEDs. Look at Pistorius; lots of high altitude places to train in South Africa and he's ot a bottle of synthetic testosterone in his bedroom. And he's never failed a drug test in his life even with year-round random testing.

[X]

It wouldn't surprise me - I think PED use (and I mean stuff like EPO, blood boosting, gene therapy, not just old fashioned injections) are rife in many sports.

If you can get such institutionalised doping in something like cycling or weighlifting, where they have very strict testing, just think what could be out there in siomething as unregulated as boxing or MMA

I also have dark suspicions about Novak Djokovic (allegedly)

[Master]

Hopkins fights effectively without fighting aggressively, he feigns punches without throwing punches, he blocks and parries punches, he fights in spurts, he has ring craft that bewilders these young fit athletic fighters who should beat him. He has amazing ring skills.

[Beanflicker]

Frankly, after all we've seen, can't we say that practically every boxer takes PED's, unless they are committed to year-round, random, blood and urine testing? I didn't always have that opinion, but now, I can't help but think that unless someone is transparent with testing, it is suspicious.

Gotta agree. People will say "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY", but if you have even a smidge of knowledge of the PED culture, you'd know how insufficient drug testing has been.

And the more niave fans will say: "no I don't think he cheats, he seems like a nice guy".
Look at Lance Armstrong: he was a media darling his whole career. And he got away with it for 15 years or more, and only got caught because he pissed a bunch of people off and they dimed him out.

The sad fact is you really can't know for sure...

[ross]

Boxing has to be the hardest sport of all. Even in a less physical sport like football/soccer you would never see a 48 year old player in a world cup.

I will not believe any fighter is clean until they do voluntary random testing leading up to a fight. Why doesnt someone go out and do some renegade testing of hair? Wouldnt be too hard to nab a hair from a brush or a pube from a shower

[Onetime]

He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant

[ross]

He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant

Haha! Yeah right!

You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!

To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago. You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...

[Violent Demise]

He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant

Haha! Yeah right!

You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!

To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago. You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...

Hopkins does

[ross]

He's so much smarter than Cloud he won just the way we thought he would, if Hopkins were on PEDs he would be even more dominant

Haha! Yeah right!

You lot think by anyone taking peformance enhancing drugs will instantly turn them in to superman. No. Hopkins is skillfull but he is fucking 48! Even with drugs he's not going to turn in to Mike Tyson!

To me, whatever he is taking is allowing him to work harder now than he did 8 years ago. You dont start training harder at 48, after that many middleweight defences...

Hopkins does

Exactly my point...

[jon09]

Not at all; I really believe that he lives and breathes boxing and takes care of himself day in and day out. A true legend and professional who is schooling the youngsters.

[hardcore_crash]

So, a 48 year old athlete doesn't not get injuries?
Not just any athlete throwing a ball through a hoop, one who takes punches to the head from m******* ers who are paid to hurt him.
Who's been through decade upon decade in the game, training day in day out taking abuse after abuse.
Bernard Hopkins, 48, doesn't partake in PEDs because his muscles aren't big, or doesn't throw 1000 punches a fight?
Lol, ok.

Bernard, at 48, must have supernatural recouping abilities.

Because PEDs are just for muscles, right?
Not to recover/prevent injuries?

He could have a testosterone ratio of 4:1 under Nevada if he uses TRT, as long as he doesn't test over - NO ONE HAS TO KNOW.
****, he could have a ratio of 2:1 of test and be ok under Nevada regulations.

No, IMO, he's not using steroid for looks.
No, he's not using them to increase his output.

He is IMO, using for injuries( 48 yr old body) and to sustain his longevity in the brutal sport.
I know, Hopkins doesn't drink, smoke, always lived his life right, etc..

This is just my opinion.