So what was archie moore using? What was foreman using? Your only saying he was on something because you thought he was gonna lose and you bet against him and now your trying to sound like less of an ass than you are. Is it that hard to believe that someone can be that motivated and that determined to actually do it at that age. come on and give the man the credit he deserves. Pretty soon anyone who wins a boxing match or an mlb game or an nfl game will have to be on steroids. I woke up at 7 in the am today and walked to the store oh shit i must have taken something to make it all the way back home in the same shape I was in. Come on now lets get serious and stop this accusing bullshit about everyone and everything.