No one else even a tiny bit suspicious about Hopkins?

[Mrhydro]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

[hardcore_crash]

Hold on, your not talking about me?
Lol, I didn't bet this fight.
But this fight at +130 was all about Hopkins.

I'm giving my opinion of a boxer I followed throughout the years.
Not because I follow this one particular boxer, but because I follow multiple combat sports, multiple fighters in each sport, and after putting everything together - the post above is a conclusion of mine.
Just my opinion.

So at what age does any athlete have to start using to be competitive? And at what age does an athlete have to stop so he doesnt get accused?

I don't think an athlete needs to start in order to be competitive, but it is getting increasingly harder not too.

Stop what? Usage? Fighting?

If there were more examples of athletes being competitive especially boxers, then we could make much better comparisons.

[hardcore_crash]

One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?

People were still suspicious about him for years.

But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?

[Mrhydro]

One more thing, people are STILL not suspicious about athletes doping?
After the athlete who was tested more times, by the best standards, MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN ANY ATHLETE, positive tests never came to light?

People were still suspicious about him for years.

But let's not be suspicious about Hopkins, denied better testing, and Pacquiao (phobia of needles)?

Hopkins looks like he is 48 and his body says it. Toney was never in shape in his latter years and was a jelly ball for the last 12 years of his career. Hopkins has slowed considerably but has gotten smarter and obviously has less punching power than he had. Maybe they dont make them like they used to or is that too good to be true.

[IamInuit]

MMA, Randy Coutre etc etc has squat to do with boxing or specifically whether or not Hopkins is doing peds.

Why someone like Hopkins is suspect is beyond me.
LOL

There is nothing in a career spanning a quarter of a century to suggest that Bernard Hopkins is juiced. The Mongoose must have been juiced along with Dixon, Wilde and Greb. No way does Babe Ruth hit a ball like that w/o chemistry.

[p4pking]

Exactly, there is nothing aside from him being so freakishly effective at his age to actually suggest he's on anything.

To use his punch output as evidence is especially ridiculous imo. He threw more punches against a plodding dope in Tavoris Cloud than he did years ago against Jermain Taylor.... So what? Who on earth wouldn't? Great case work as usual from detective Ross Taylor was faster than him, it really isn't that complicated. Those fights we all saw him throw very few meaningful shots per round compared to most of his recent wins around that time as well. The only time there was ever a striking physical change in Hopkins was after losing to Taylor and moving up to 175 in the first place. And guess what, even then he didn't throw much because Tarver had quick hands.

Now of course you can never rule anyone out in this day and age, but the fact is Hopkins is as skillful and meticulous as anyone out there and he wins fights on account of it.

[ross]

Who likes to defy the nay sayers more than anyone in boxing?

Wo refused to take a test when asked in a press conference?

You are all naive. I remember saying something about Amstrong cheating on here before it all came out and it got the same gullible response. About how hard Armstrong works and he takes tests blah blah blah.

If that has shown us anything it is how easily dopey naive sport fans can be duped. It wouldnt surprise me if like Armstrong with his charity work and Holyfield with his religion (and Jimmy Savile with his charity work) that Hokpins repeating in every fucking speach that he doesnt drink, doesnt smoke, always trains and has turned his life around is a smoke screen so dopes say, "well he wouldnt cheat would he?"

Yes he probably does train all the time and doesnt drink or smoke but how many other athletes live like that? They aren't ramming it down our throats every time they open their mouth, like they are trying to brainwash us with an image. He is an admitted convicted criminal after all.

Until he tries to prove otherwise I believe he is taking something to maintain his training just like Holyfield is.

[hardcore_crash]

I was out of line on my last and apologize to Couture, though everything I said I believe to be true.

Actually, MMA and boxing are twonsports which require a physciall toll on your body, and one which you're allowed to beat another man legally.
And have the same testing regulations as boxing does state to state in the US.
So there very common and easily comparable, whether you want to argue it or not.
Also, Couture and Hopkins, are both two professional athletes (professional "fighters") well above the age of 40 who both won world titles and broke the record of old age.
Again, if you fail to see the similarities and why they are comparable...

If you don't think "someone like Hopkins is suspicious",or the suspicious hold no merit. It's obvious you have not read the discussion, add no value to the argument.
If you don't think there is anything in the last century that might suggest he is doping, again, you did not read a thing and are quite frankly in the wrong sport (s) all together.

Anyone who is suspicious of any athlete juicing is warranted, does not mean ANYONE IS DISCREDITING THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I hate steroids and wish they weren't a part of the game.
But, no it's Hopkins, he could never do any wrong..
I swear its like little kids defending their older brother with a blindfold..
LOL at complaining about bringing Randy and MMA, into a discussion about drugs and regulations, and talking about Babe Ruth...