Ali vs Holmes: what could have been!

[johnmaff36]

Ali was tea-bagged by King and Holmes. Holmes was both Ali's apprentice and chief sparring partner for close to 5 years. Both he and fellow scumbag Don King knew dam well about Ali's crumbling condition. Sorry but I don't buy the injection analogy. I blamed Holmes more then King for years because of principle but today looking back part of me wonders of the choice he had. A young family and probably living in a one bedroom suite or something given the opportunity to make 3 million fighting the God of boxing and a crack at the title. Easy for me to say that he sold out morality. I dare say most of us would have done the same thing. Karma got him anyway first with Spinks and being denied the Marciano grail and then getting laid out by Tyson when he was beyond his prime.

King on the other hand is/was a scum bag of the highest order and his whole gig with the Wbc is well documented in the corruption category. Absolute power as they say corrupts absolutely. He probably would have pimped out his own grandmother. He knew w/o a shadow of doubt that Ali was done and already showing early signs of Parkinson's. Not sure what kind of payback is fitting.

sorry mate but you musta got something mixed up. Holmes had a crack at the, and won, the title 2 and a half years earlier against norton and was making his 7th or 8th defence. He was long gone from a 1 bedroom shack.

ive heard it claimed that Ali recieved $50,000 in cash from King, given by a mutual friend (jeremiah shabazz or lloyd price) in return for Ali to sign a document withdrawing his claim against king for non payment of his purse for the holmes fight. An utter, utter scumbag. I suggest, if your interested, you read jack neufields book 'The life and crimes of don king'.

[IamInuit]

Ali was tea-bagged by King and Holmes. Holmes was both Ali's apprentice and chief sparring partner for close to 5 years. Both he and fellow scumbag Don King knew dam well about Ali's crumbling condition. Sorry but I don't buy the injection analogy. I blamed Holmes more then King for years because of principle but today looking back part of me wonders of the choice he had. A young family and probably living in a one bedroom suite or something given the opportunity to make 3 million fighting the God of boxing and a crack at the title. Easy for me to say that he sold out morality. I dare say most of us would have done the same thing. Karma got him anyway first with Spinks and being denied the Marciano grail and then getting laid out by Tyson when he was beyond his prime.

King on the other hand is/was a scum bag of the highest order and his whole gig with the Wbc is well documented in the corruption category. Absolute power as they say corrupts absolutely. He probably would have pimped out his own grandmother. He knew w/o a shadow of doubt that Ali was done and already showing early signs of Parkinson's. Not sure what kind of payback is fitting.

sorry mate but you musta got something mixed up. Holmes had a crack at the, and won, the title 2 and a half years earlier against norton and was making his 7th or 8th defence. He was long gone from a 1 bedroom shack.

ive heard it claimed that Ali recieved $50,000 in cash from King, given by a mutual friend (jeremiah shabazz or lloyd price) in return for Ali to sign a document withdrawing his claim against king for non payment of his purse for the holmes fight. An utter, utter scumbag. I suggest, if your interested, you read jack neufields book 'The life and crimes of don king'.

I was being sarcastic. That was Holmes first fight over 6 figures I believe and Holmes is on record saying that he did it for the coinage. Its actually hard to believe that King has managed to stay alive.
Must have antenna like street smarts.

[johnmaff36]

Ali was tea-bagged by King and Holmes. Holmes was both Ali's apprentice and chief sparring partner for close to 5 years. Both he and fellow scumbag Don King knew dam well about Ali's crumbling condition. Sorry but I don't buy the injection analogy. I blamed Holmes more then King for years because of principle but today looking back part of me wonders of the choice he had. A young family and probably living in a one bedroom suite or something given the opportunity to make 3 million fighting the God of boxing and a crack at the title. Easy for me to say that he sold out morality. I dare say most of us would have done the same thing. Karma got him anyway first with Spinks and being denied the Marciano grail and then getting laid out by Tyson when he was beyond his prime.

King on the other hand is/was a scum bag of the highest order and his whole gig with the Wbc is well documented in the corruption category. Absolute power as they say corrupts absolutely. He probably would have pimped out his own grandmother. He knew w/o a shadow of doubt that Ali was done and already showing early signs of Parkinson's. Not sure what kind of payback is fitting.

sorry mate but you musta got something mixed up. Holmes had a crack at the, and won, the title 2 and a half years earlier against norton and was making his 7th or 8th defence. He was long gone from a 1 bedroom shack.

ive heard it claimed that Ali recieved $50,000 in cash from King, given by a mutual friend (jeremiah shabazz or lloyd price) in return for Ali to sign a document withdrawing his claim against king for non payment of his purse for the holmes fight. An utter, utter scumbag. I suggest, if your interested, you read jack neufields book 'The life and crimes of don king'.

I was being sarcastic. That was Holmes first fight over 6 figures I believe and Holmes is on record saying that he did it for the coinage. Its actually hard to believe that King has managed to stay alive.
Must have antenna like street smarts.

True, though he did get put in hospital for a week after a kicking he got at a hotel by people/friends who knew Ali and the stroke he pulled on him