Thatchers Dead

[VictorCharlie]

Considering Missy usually rolls into a thread, throws around some sarcastic and witty retorts then strolls out leaving me wondering what color panties she has on; that was a pretty concise and well thought out post.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

You're 2 years older than me for fucks sake and Im from the South so I could read long before you could.

Big mining community round Bristol?
Ah that's right the manufacturing/industrial sectors she shut were midlands and up. Remember miners families collecting on the streets? That would be me and not you.

And once again trying to drag the discussion away from the original question that was posed.

[Mars_ax]

I haven't seen a day where so many statements have been made that could equally have been made of Hitler or Stalin. Martin Luther King said that he would never celebrate or take joy in the death of an enemy. Frankly, I can't say that I am so forgiving, she was the figurehead for an administration that tried to bring the populus back down to the working class plebs who had no say nor interest in what the ruling class did. Her successes are all championed by those with bank balances running into seven, eight, nine and ten figures. The fact that she died at the Ritz hotel clearly shows that she had betrayed her relatively humble roots to grasp towards the upper class a long, long time ago.

I don't hope she rests in peace, I hope death gives her all of the punishment and penance that life never gave her. It is an unpleasant glee I take in her death, but I can't imagine anyone else dying that would trigger the same emotions.

I'd heard some bad things said about Thatcher here in the States, mainly said by liberals here who didn't like her close association with then President Reagan. I didn't have a clue that she was so loathed by her own countrymen. Now I don't feel so bad about despising Hillary "rodman" Clinton, who may run for U.S. president in 2016 and/or when Comrade Dingle-Barry finishes his 2nd term.

yeah I've got some US friends who just don't understand why she's so hated and talked about not being petty....hmmm no. They have no idea.

I don't believe most Americans (including me) know much about what goes on with British politics. To be honest, it's confusing, and I don't understand it. I suppose this will make you laugh, I liked Tony Blair and never understood why he seemed so hated. (not that I cared)
As for Maggie T, I always thought her husband was a dope, I can't say I disliked her, but I can understand some of the reasons why Brits wouldn't like her after reading this thread.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

[superheavyrhun]

Nice reply. You managed to do all that without poking fun of me for not doing the odd politics module.

Sorry mate, never did politics so I can't give you any insight into what they teach about Thatcher. I would imagine that the Thatcher module in Liverpool University might be ever so slightly different to the one they teach down in UCL. I'm not poking fun, if that's what you think, it just galls me that she sacrificed vast swathes of the country without apology or regret.

On another happier note - "Ding, Dong the Witch is Dead" from the Wizard of Oz (I think) is looking good for being number one in the charts this weekend!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Nice reply. You managed to do all that without poking fun of me for not doing the odd politics module.

Sorry mate, never did politics so I can't give you any insight into what they teach about Thatcher. I would imagine that the Thatcher module in Liverpool University might be ever so slightly different to the one they teach down in UCL. I'm not poking fun, if that's what you think, it just galls me that she sacrificed vast swathes of the country without apology or regret.

On another happier note - "Ding, Dong the Witch is Dead" from the Wizard of Oz (I think) is looking good for being number one in the charts this weekend!

Died at the Ritz. Nice to see the familiar we're all in this together tory attitude never left.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I haven't seen a day where so many statements have been made that could equally have been made of Hitler or Stalin. Martin Luther King said that he would never celebrate or take joy in the death of an enemy. Frankly, I can't say that I am so forgiving, she was the figurehead for an administration that tried to bring the populus back down to the working class plebs who had no say nor interest in what the ruling class did. Her successes are all championed by those with bank balances running into seven, eight, nine and ten figures. The fact that she died at the Ritz hotel clearly shows that she had betrayed her relatively humble roots to grasp towards the upper class a long, long time ago.

I don't hope she rests in peace, I hope death gives her all of the punishment and penance that life never gave her. It is an unpleasant glee I take in her death, but I can't imagine anyone else dying that would trigger the same emotions.

I'd heard some bad things said about Thatcher here in the States, mainly said by liberals here who didn't like her close association with then President Reagan. I didn't have a clue that she was so loathed by her own countrymen. Now I don't feel so bad about despising Hillary "rodman" Clinton, who may run for U.S. president in 2016 and/or when Comrade Dingle-Barry finishes his 2nd term.

yeah I've got some US friends who just don't understand why she's so hated and talked about not being petty....hmmm no. They have no idea.

I don't believe most Americans (including me) know much about what goes on with British politics. To be honest, it's confusing, and I don't understand it. I suppose this will make you laugh, I liked Tony Blair and never understood why he seemed so hated. (not that I cared)
As for Maggie T, I always thought her husband was a dope, I can't say I disliked her, but I can understand some of the reasons why Brits wouldn't like her after reading this thread.

I think Blair and Obama share the trait that the people bought in to the idea that they were something different and that lost the trust of the people. Blair whilst appealing to 'New Labour' was someone who had plenty more in common with thatcher...and let's not get started on his biggest conjob with the war in Iraq.
It's harder to pass polarized law in the US than over here, just how your system is set up.
People were lied to. We know all politicians do it

[Memphis]

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

They did, good money in it. And why are you personally having a go at me you tool? You asked about what thatcher did to make it her fault (even though people had told you) and now you're having a personal dig at me.

Oh yeah, you called her a cunt and Master said she screwed the minors, my bad

You serious? You dropped the 'you dont know boxing politics' line on me and now Im a tool for giving you a dig back?

Heres the thing, and the thing that annoys me about all this. For all your living it, sleeping it, breathing it (mind the fumes) and your politics GCSE (I apologise in advance for this), all Ive got from you over the last 2 days here and elsewhere is hatred for someone who made as far as you're concerned shit decisions on the countries behalf. So much so that its funny and acceptable that people who if you have a look are probably as, if not more politically retarded than I am get pissed in streets they dont live in and throw petrol bombs at police. All in the name of that woman that closed down our....their....someones mines.

Thats why I asked the question. Im not convinced of the answer either. What investment was going to make an already sinking ship float again given the competition? And wasnt it already subsidised? Werent 'we' paying others to use our coal?

[El Kabong]

If she was Labour she'd be adored

[Memphis]

If she was Labour she'd be adored

She was adored, by the ones who didnt hate her.

[VictorCharlie]

I think Thatcher has a better reputation in the US b/c she is often paired with Reagan in our culture. I knew from reading this board that UK citizens were not as impressed but I didn't realize how polarizing she was and how bitter the hatred was.

[El Kabong]

I think Thatcher has a better reputation in the US b/c she is often paired with Reagan in our culture. I knew from reading this board that UK citizens were not as impressed but I didn't realize how polarizing she was and how bitter the hatred was.

Wait til Carter dies...THEN the celebration begins

[Mars_ax]

I haven't seen a day where so many statements have been made that could equally have been made of Hitler or Stalin. Martin Luther King said that he would never celebrate or take joy in the death of an enemy. Frankly, I can't say that I am so forgiving, she was the figurehead for an administration that tried to bring the populus back down to the working class plebs who had no say nor interest in what the ruling class did. Her successes are all championed by those with bank balances running into seven, eight, nine and ten figures. The fact that she died at the Ritz hotel clearly shows that she had betrayed her relatively humble roots to grasp towards the upper class a long, long time ago.

I don't hope she rests in peace, I hope death gives her all of the punishment and penance that life never gave her. It is an unpleasant glee I take in her death, but I can't imagine anyone else dying that would trigger the same emotions.

I'd heard some bad things said about Thatcher here in the States, mainly said by liberals here who didn't like her close association with then President Reagan. I didn't have a clue that she was so loathed by her own countrymen. Now I don't feel so bad about despising Hillary "rodman" Clinton, who may run for U.S. president in 2016 and/or when Comrade Dingle-Barry finishes his 2nd term.

yeah I've got some US friends who just don't understand why she's so hated and talked about not being petty....hmmm no. They have no idea.

I don't believe most Americans (including me) know much about what goes on with British politics. To be honest, it's confusing, and I don't understand it. I suppose this will make you laugh, I liked Tony Blair and never understood why he seemed so hated. (not that I cared)
As for Maggie T, I always thought her husband was a dope, I can't say I disliked her, but I can understand some of the reasons why Brits wouldn't like her after reading this thread.

I think Blair and Obama share the trait that the people bought in to the idea that they were something different and that lost the trust of the people. Blair whilst appealing to 'New Labour' was someone who had plenty more in common with thatcher...and let's not get started on his biggest conjob with the war in Iraq.
It's harder to pass polarized law in the US than over here, just how your system is set up.
People were lied to. We know all politicians do it

British politics seem far more complicated then what we have here in the States, i'm sure however if you've lived in the UK most of your life, politics are old hat.
As for political and social issues here in the States, I know all about that. Thanks mostly to "liberals", this country has been on a fast track down the toilet the last 25+ years.

[VictorCharlie]

I think Thatcher has a better reputation in the US b/c she is often paired with Reagan in our culture. I knew from reading this board that UK citizens were not as impressed but I didn't realize how polarizing she was and how bitter the hatred was.

Wait til Carter dies...THEN the celebration begins

While an abject failure I don't think his tenure was long enough to warrant a big reaction. Him and Ford are kind of after thoughts.

[El Kabong]

It was satisfying when Ted Kennedy died