"He got exposed..."

[jahmez]

The power-punching Edison Pantera Miranda is what it means to be exposed. Long string of KOs against lower-tier and mid-tier fighters, he looked so good, terrific trash-talker, some thought he may be Bernard Hopkins' heir at 160, guys were ducking him, but ultimately when he stepped in against the top guys, all his skill limitations and lack of boxing intelligence were exposed. And he couldn't improve.

Speaking of Hopkins, have to throw Pavlik in the mix as well. His entire life went downhill after that class.

[El Kabong]

See when I think "exposed" I think Michael Grant...big hype job, lots of guys saying "He's the next great American heavyweight" and then all the air went out of that balloon, the man is still trying to recover.

[Vendettos]

I still think it is dumb.


When mayweather loses, everyone will say exposed.


Just stfu, half the fights we watch would have a different result if fought the next night.


Stop analyzing and start enjoying. Analyze after.


No one thinks your smart because you suggested someone may get "exposed"

[IamInuit]

It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns

[Vendettos]

It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns

Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.

[El Kabong]

It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns

Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.

Certainly, being "exposed" happens...is it over used? Yes of course it is. I don't think when you're on a really high level as a fighter and you lose but you continue to remain at that high level then you haven't "been exposed". For example, Shane Mosley has more than a few losses on his record but I wouldn't say he ever got "exposed" by anyone...his style didn't match well vs the Vernon Forrest/Winky Wright styles but he wasn't "exposed".

When I think "exposed" I think: We all thought this fighter was going to be a World Class fighter, but he didn't live up to his potential for one reason or another: Andrew Golota is a guy I think of, he was a few brain farts away from being a champion....Gerry Cooney or Tommy Morrison could have a case for being "exposed"....or if there's a "blue print" for how to beat a certain fighter then maybe it's fair to use it then, but Donaire was a champion, he will remain boxing at a high level, he just lost....that's not "being exposed".

[IamInuit]

It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns

Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.

He most certainly did and in the he had no business being there kind of way.

[El Kabong]

He most certainly did and in the he had no business being there kind of way.

Yes BUT I don't think we can say Winky Wright "exposed" Felix Trinidad because Tito was a hell of a fighter in his day and fought at the very highest level vs some very good opponents.....Winky handed his ass to him, but I wouldn't go as far to say Trinidad was "exposed" simply due to how good he was before that fight. Same with Roy Jones Jr. & Tarver or Johnson.

Jeff Lacy was on the brink of being World Class and got the shit hammered out of him and never regained his former glory, never came close. I was one of the guys that bought into the Lacy hype too. I was so hyped for the potential of a Taylor vs Lacy bout and when it finally came, I was like "meh...I guess they might as well, but I'm not all that interested".


Dominick Guinn got exposed, Audley Harrison got exposed...those guys were at the very least supposed to be really good contenders and they even managed to fuck that up.

[bradlee180]

When mayweather loses, everyone will say exposed.

Something was exposed in 2002 when castillo beat him and got robbed in the decision. Floyd's certainly elite, that's never been in doubt by anyone, but that night he learned he wasn't quite as great as he thought. You got to hand it to Floyd for doing the rematch and winning handily, but the Castillo scare and thought of losing was more than he could bear, so he began avoiding almost all the elite fighters in each weight class from 2002 till now. After Castillo in 2002, it's all the way to 2007 and Hatton when next he'd fight an elite prime fighter. Then who for the next top prime elite fighter? Victor Ortiz in 2011? Victor who didn't show the Heart against Maidana.

So many classic fights with so many elite fighters were there to be made, but Floyd took the easiest lowest risk matches he could pick, and now it's too late. Too bad Floyd didn't have half the faith in his own abilities that his fans did.

[bzkfn]

Couldn't agree more really. Another thing that annoyed me with fans reaction to Donaire is people saying he was overrated and his career is based on beating up smaller guys. What a crock of shit. The guy made 112, 115, 118 & 122 and was rightly considered the #1 fighter in 3 of 4 of those divisions. He may have had a size advantage on opponents, but give the guy credit for using his size to his advantage. For me he is still one of the best in the world, he was just beaten by a guy who had his number that night.

What we discovered was that Rigondeux is a world class fighter, not that Donaire wasn't. I said it in another thread but saying Donaire was a hypejob only discredits the huge achievement Rigondeux just pulled off. If Nonito was overhyped, does that mean Guillermo is still untested? Should we still be labelling him a prospect? No, he's the man who beat the man.

[Addicted to_boxing]

Couldn't agree more really. Another thing that annoyed me with fans reaction to Donaire is people saying he was overrated and his career is based on beating up smaller guys. What a crock of shit. The guy made 112, 115, 118 & 122 and was rightly considered the #1 fighter in 3 of 4 of those divisions. He may have had a size advantage on opponents, but give the guy credit for using his size to his advantage. For me he is still one of the best in the world, he was just beaten by a guy who had his number that night.

What we discovered was that Rigondeux is a world class fighter, not that Donaire wasn't. I said it in another thread but saying Donaire was a hypejob only discredits the huge achievement Rigondeux just pulled off. If Nonito was overhyped, does that mean Guillermo is still untested? Should we still be labelling him a prospect? No, he's the man who beat the man.

Rigondeux is a world class fighter and its Donaires own resume that came back to haunt him. He is what he is until he avenges and beats Rig, beats Mares or Mikey Garcia. I do not even have him beating Gary Russell. A four fight schedule against mid level opponents earns him fighter of the year please ......... then he takes cue from Pacman and uses Pinoy excuses after losing .

[Addicted to_boxing]

Couldn't agree more really. Another thing that annoyed me with fans reaction to Donaire is people saying he was overrated and his career is based on beating up smaller guys. What a crock of shit. The guy made 112, 115, 118 & 122 and was rightly considered the #1 fighter in 3 of 4 of those divisions. He may have had a size advantage on opponents, but give the guy credit for using his size to his advantage. For me he is still one of the best in the world, he was just beaten by a guy who had his number that night.

What we discovered was that Rigondeux is a world class fighter, not that Donaire wasn't. I said it in another thread but saying Donaire was a hypejob only discredits the huge achievement Rigondeux just pulled off. If Nonito was overhyped, does that mean Guillermo is still untested? Should we still be labelling him a prospect? No, he's the man who beat the man.

Neither can hold Mikey Garcias jock strap ..... Both are good fighter but compared to what ? Extremely weak division ....

[bradlee180]

See when I think "exposed" I think Michael Grant...big hype job, lots of guys saying "He's the next great American heavyweight" and then all the air went out of that balloon, the man is still trying to recover.

Yep, absolutely.

One can't fault a guy for trying to make a living, but that dumb@$$ kellerman was talking like the contender Grant was already the Champion, RE "These aren't your grand-father's heavyweights."

That's for damn sure, Max!