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    Default Re: "He got exposed..."

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

    Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



    Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
    Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
    Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
    Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
    Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns
    Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

    Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



    Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
    Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
    Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
    Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
    Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns
    Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.
    Certainly, being "exposed" happens...is it over used? Yes of course it is. I don't think when you're on a really high level as a fighter and you lose but you continue to remain at that high level then you haven't "been exposed". For example, Shane Mosley has more than a few losses on his record but I wouldn't say he ever got "exposed" by anyone...his style didn't match well vs the Vernon Forrest/Winky Wright styles but he wasn't "exposed".

    When I think "exposed" I think: We all thought this fighter was going to be a World Class fighter, but he didn't live up to his potential for one reason or another: Andrew Golota is a guy I think of, he was a few brain farts away from being a champion....Gerry Cooney or Tommy Morrison could have a case for being "exposed"....or if there's a "blue print" for how to beat a certain fighter then maybe it's fair to use it then, but Donaire was a champion, he will remain boxing at a high level, he just lost....that's not "being exposed".

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    Default Re: "He got exposed..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    It’s another one of these boxing terms that means nothing at all in the way that it is used. Its turned into a put down of sorts. I do think that Donaire was a bit of a hype job because of some of his finishes but that does not mean he was exposed. He did look a little one dimensional in the fight but that's a credit to Rigo. I think a second fight looks much different and is most likely to happen unless mandatory's get in the way.

    Exposure can mean taking advantage of a certain weakness (styles make fights) or at times one is totally outclassed by another leading the viewer to believe the loser had no business being there.



    Max Baer exposed Primo Carnera as a lumbering oaf mob creation.
    Jack Dempsey exposed Jess Willard as a flailing big man of little skill
    Gene Tunney did not expose Harry Greb
    Bernard Hopkins exposed Kelly Pavlik's rinse a repeat style not Kelly the fighter
    Ray Leonard did not expose Thomas Hearns
    Calzaghe exposed Lacy. No denying.
    He most certainly did and in the he had no business being there kind of way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    He most certainly did and in the he had no business being there kind of way.
    Yes BUT I don't think we can say Winky Wright "exposed" Felix Trinidad because Tito was a hell of a fighter in his day and fought at the very highest level vs some very good opponents.....Winky handed his ass to him, but I wouldn't go as far to say Trinidad was "exposed" simply due to how good he was before that fight. Same with Roy Jones Jr. & Tarver or Johnson.

    Jeff Lacy was on the brink of being World Class and got the shit hammered out of him and never regained his former glory, never came close. I was one of the guys that bought into the Lacy hype too. I was so hyped for the potential of a Taylor vs Lacy bout and when it finally came, I was like "meh...I guess they might as well, but I'm not all that interested".


    Dominick Guinn got exposed, Audley Harrison got exposed...those guys were at the very least supposed to be really good contenders and they even managed to fuck that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    He most certainly did and in the he had no business being there kind of way.
    Yes BUT I don't think we can say Winky Wright "exposed" Felix Trinidad because Tito was a hell of a fighter in his day and fought at the very highest level vs some very good opponents.....Winky handed his ass to him, but I wouldn't go as far to say Trinidad was "exposed" simply due to how good he was before that fight. Same with Roy Jones Jr. & Tarver or Johnson.

    Jeff Lacy was on the brink of being World Class and got the shit hammered out of him and never regained his former glory, never came close. I was one of the guys that bought into the Lacy hype too. I was so hyped for the potential of a Taylor vs Lacy bout and when it finally came, I was like "meh...I guess they might as well, but I'm not all that interested".


    Dominick Guinn got exposed, Audley Harrison got exposed...those guys were at the very least supposed to be really good contenders and they even managed to fuck that up.
    Tito's a bit different. He did not always plod in looking to land with his head incapable of movement. He changed from being a boxer puncher to mainly puncher just around the time of Carr or shortly after. Tito had issues with the jab and Winkys was like a piston and from the other side. He controlled the fight with it. Hopkins laid the blue print and it was he that capitalized on what Tito figured was his strength first. Just a bad style match up and Hop used the same tactics to beat two other plodders in Pavlik and Cloud. Lacy was a swarmer that never had the talent his record or hype suggested. Cal made him look like an amateur.

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    I attribute it mostly to hyped punchers and it lingers over the head of a young guy being billed "the next coming of blah blah jones". Guys who never fully develope and some crashing down never to really recover. Berto was a great example. His flaws were glaring early and was built up on a spongy foundation but maketed-matched well. I don't think Donaire was exposed but he was outclassed, he also got lazy with all the hype and hoopla.

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    Might sound silly but if Donaire got exposed anywhere in my eyes it was against Vasquez Jr. I know he won the fight but once Vasquez Jr put on the earmuffs and stopped leading it seemed as though Donaire got lost. He didn't go to the body because he couldn't and it seemed that although he's got great power his punches were very "stock standard" in that he couldn't improvise and change the trajectory of his shots. He was trying to counter Vasquez's jab with the pull counter straight right but once Vasquez started bringing his shoulder to his chin Donaire couldn't tweak his counter and turn it more into an overhand right. I'll probably cop some flack for this because he just won but I see the same thing with Canelo. Great power and physicality but there's something robotic with his actions, a lack of fluidity that will get "exposed" against a guy who doesn't just fight in set moves but sees rounds as whole sequences and can therefore improvise (plus has the defense to be able to take the time to feel out the fight). That's why I don't buy into this whole idea that Canelo is the man to beat Floyd. I think he'll hurt him a few times but once Floyd understands the path of his punches he's going to look like the tin man.

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    Say whatever you want.
    He was exposed.
    He got spanked.
    I'm really surprised.

    It's another way to say that a fighter who was expected to win or at least do much better, was shown to have serious holes in his boxing skills.

    I like "he was exposed", I know instantly what the writer/speaker is talking about, no matter what sport or job he is talking about. Somebody came up short, very short of expectations.

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    Yeah some people use some terms to pump up there own bike tires, like they knew something all along, that you the fight fan didnt, which makes them a better fan, blah blah blah, go spank off somewhere on your own.

    Exposing a specific trait, now that could lead to an interesting conversation.
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    Yeah like I Knew and said that Murray's pressure and style would be too much for Martinez and then further demonstrated my unrivalled and sound technical boxing insight by predicting that Audley would beat Wilder, Judah would beat Garcia and Guerrero would beat Quillin. So sure was I that I put money on it. So the moral is, posters on boxing forums can be exposed.:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeanz View Post
    Yeah like I Knew and said that Murray's pressure and style would be too much for Martinez and then further demonstrated my unrivalled and sound technical boxing insight by predicting that Audley would beat Wilder, Judah would beat Garcia and Guerrero would beat Quillin. So sure was I that I put money on it. So the moral is, posters on boxing forums can be exposed.:-)
    I don't feel sorry you, when you have picked the wrong fighter as much as I have you will finally understand what "being exposed" really means.
    I do feel sorry for that jumping green bean though, do you ever give that guy a break?

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    How in the world could Donaire be exposed? He actually knocked Rigondeaux down!

    Well, some guys have something to say- but, to be fair, Rigon's record is deceptive BECAUSE of his amateur pedigree.

    Those 400 plus amateur fights meant something. Indeed it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ykdadamaja View Post
    How in the world could Donaire be exposed? He actually knocked Rigondeaux down!

    Well, some guys have something to say- but, to be fair, Rigon's record is deceptive BECAUSE of his amateur pedigree.

    Those 400 plus amateur fights meant something. Indeed it did.
    Yeah he knocked Rig down with an illegal push off to give him clearance to throw the punch.

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