Questions re: Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s Legacy

[Violent Demise]

Here's the deal with Floyd: he's most likely the greatest in-ring talent of all time. When you take into account all the factors: boxing skill, physical gifts, boxing IQ, discipline, ring generalship, ect, there's no name you can give me that had more of an abundance of these things than Floyd Mayweather. That's a fact.

People won't acknowledge this, because as people we really don't appreciate shit until it's gone. People have rose colored glasses when viewing past era's and legendary fighters: according to these people, nobody pre-1990 ducked anyone, nobody fought bums, everyone was a man's man who fought who they thought was their toughest test, regardless of what the public thought. And the REAL old timers fought every couple of week because they were all super-tough manly men who wanted to learn their craft. It had nothing to do with the fact that the pay was SHIT compared to today, and corrupt mobster managers took most of their money. No, they were all tough guys who ate cement and shit bricks.

When Muhammad Ali was in his prime, when he was head and shoulders above everyone and visibly the most gifted heavyweight fighter ever seen in a ring, all people could talk about was how he was a sissy, how past champs like Marciano, Joe Louis, Dempsey, ect would have wiped the floor with him. Now he's considered the #1 of all time.

Floyd will go down as, if not #1, a solid #2 behind SRR. I gaurentee it. We can't see it now because everyone hates him and tries to discredit him, but you can't fuck with his resume and accomplishments. I've personally never seen a better boxer, and I've seen them all.

You saw Pep and Saddler? How fucking old are you?

[Beanflicker]

You saw Pep and Saddler? How fucking old are you?

Old enough to turn on a DVD player or type in "youtube.com" apparently.

[Beanflicker]

Pipino Cuevas SUCKED. Jose Luis Castillo was a killer back in his prime, back when Floyd beat him.

[imp]

Floyd never quits.

Duran did.

Compare that.

You will never see ricky hatton saying "no mas"!

[Violent Demise]

Floyd never quits.

Duran did.

Compare that.

You will never see ricky hatton saying "no mas"!

You must of missed his last fight. He could of got up. But chose to stay down. He quit

[ray corso]

Don't care who he ducked or missed or any of that BS! I know Pacman was on the table atleast twice in legitament bouts and it wasn't signed by Floyd!! Oh well!

Floyd has real "in ring intelligence" he has terriffic hand speed and his intellect adds to his counterabilities! He is extremely difficult to square up on and has all the punches in his arsonal.

He also is NOT an ATG Welter to me, there are many men at 147 mark that could handle him mostly because he doesn't have welter size. He is very small compared to the greats and then their are a few his size that could fight right with him and give and take. The main reason for not allowing him in my top tier is his lack of power. He has the techniques but he simply doesn't generate the power to give away the size he gives up.

I'd have to rate him in at 135 (don't believe in the junior weight class BS) and he'd be in tuff there but I think could compete on a solid level. Again his lack of power would be effident against the top tier men but his hand and foot speed could make up for his defficiency in the lighter classes.

Great thinker, fast hands, one of the best counter movers and punchers but little power and not a front runner can be boring and stays calculating when he doesn't have to.
Great talent good fighter! Ray .

[Mr140]

Been you sound worse then the Floyde haters only the other way around dude. I rank Floyde in the top 15 not sure he breaks my top 10 because i have Leonard at 10 and i cant not rate Mayweather higher then Leonard. His best win is Castillo i would say and he pretty much lost the first fight at his best weight he did avenge it though. But saying that Leonard resume was far greater and he was amazing in the ring he i though also had more to his games in terms of offence as well but thats all up to judgement.

[Beanflicker]

Been you sound worse then the Floyde haters only the other way around dude. I rank Floyde in the top 15 not sure he breaks my top 10 because i have Leonard at 10 and i cant not rate Mayweather higher then Leonard. His best win is Castillo i would say and he pretty much lost the first fight at his best weight he did avenge it though. But saying that Leonard resume was far greater and he was amazing in the ring he i though also had more to his games in terms of offence as well but thats all up to judgement.

I'm always open for debate. Give me your top 10 and we'll compare those you rank to Floyd.

For all you guys who don't rank Floyd top 10, top 25, or top 50, man up and post your list.

[Beanflicker]

Also, if you think Castillo is his best win, you're nuts.

Post your list, and I personally gaurentee you I'll catch you slipping up somewhere.

[imp]

Floyd never quits.

Duran did.

Compare that.

You will never see ricky hatton saying "no mas"!

You must of missed his last fight. He could of got up. But chose to stay down. He quit

Hattons got hit by a bodyshot that knocked him out after coming back from a massive lay off.

Hands of stone told the ref he couldnt take anymore and quit because he couldnt beat a guy he beat before and was getting completely outboxed.

Duran was an all time great but lets not pretend to forget things that we criticize a modern day victor ortiz for.

[Mr140]

Well bean if you have Floyde as number one i like see how your list is and i will post my list again been a while and you can say what you like about i guess floyde is ranked just out of my top ten behind Leonard.

[Mr140]

Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong jr, Roberto Duran, Harry Greb, Jou Louis, Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, and Sugar Ray Leonard I guess i would say is my top ten.

[Beanflicker]

Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong jr, Roberto Duran, Harry Greb, Jou Louis, Benny Leonard, Gene Tunney, and Sugar Ray Leonard I guess i would say is my top ten.

Ray Robinson: Tell me who he beat who trumps the guys Floyd fought in his biggest fights?

Muhammad Ali: besides Frazier, Foreman and Liston (on the subject of those guys, tell me who they beat that made them so great), who did Ali beat that was so much better than Floyd's wins?

Willie Pep: Feather-fisted so called defensive master who was knocked out 6 times. What exactly did he do that was superior to what Floyd did? Who did he beat that was so hot, exactly? Floyd has adjusted to every tough opponent he's ever fought: how come Willie couldn't find an answer for Saddler (and if you're going to go on and say Saddler was greater than any of Floyd's opposition, please tell me why he was and who he beat to earn that kind of recognition)?

Joe Louis - FAMOUS for his "Bum of the Month" club. I guess whipping guys like Johnny Paycheck and Two Ton Tony is a lot more respectable than a prime JLC or Ricky Hatton.

And the others, tell me who they beat? Do you have a reason why they are top 10? Or is it just because you read they were really good?

[Andre]

Here's the deal with Floyd: he's most likely the greatest in-ring talent of all time. When you take into account all the factors: boxing skill, physical gifts, boxing IQ, discipline, ring generalship, ect, there's no name you can give me that had more of an abundance of these things than Floyd Mayweather. That's a fact.

People won't acknowledge this, because as people we really don't appreciate shit until it's gone. People have rose colored glasses when viewing past era's and legendary fighters: according to these people, nobody pre-1990 ducked anyone, nobody fought bums, everyone was a man's man who fought who they thought was their toughest test, regardless of what the public thought. And the REAL old timers fought every couple of week because they were all super-tough manly men who wanted to learn their craft. It had nothing to do with the fact that the pay was SHIT compared to today, and corrupt mobster managers took most of their money. No, they were all tough guys who ate cement and shit bricks.

When Muhammad Ali was in his prime, when he was head and shoulders above everyone and visibly the most gifted heavyweight fighter ever seen in a ring, all people could talk about was how he was a sissy, how past champs like Marciano, Joe Louis, Dempsey, ect would have wiped the floor with him. Now he's considered the #1 of all time.

Floyd will go down as, if not #1, a solid #2 behind SRR. I gaurentee it. We can't see it now because everyone hates him and tries to discredit him, but you can't fuck with his resume and accomplishments. I've personally never seen a better boxer, and I've seen them all.

You saw Pep and Saddler? How fucking old are you?

I like Floyds ring skills over Peps and Saddlers. Ive seen them all on film as well they were made for each other styles.

Pep had good feet and was fast enough to work both sides of a man and in and out but in boxing hand skill he was given as good as he got at times.