Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[bzkfn]

We're passed the point of wanting to 'know why'. Whatever the reason, the cause, the disputs, there is no reason nor need for a trial. A man with blood on his hands wielding weapons needs only one thing, an end.

Trials are very important for both the victims honour and as a mark in the sand. We as a society abhor this behaviour and it will result in consequences. You can not let them drag you down to their level.

Wow, for once I completely disagree with you. When it comes to crimes like this, I don't believe that trials and prison bring any sense of justice to the crime. In crimes like this, when there is concrete video evidence that a man has committed such a heinous crime, I geniunely believe slow and painful torture is a correct form of punishment. All this crap about "don't stoop to their level" is bollocks, because they commit this crime, say they'd do it again and don't see any wrong in it. If they felt a similar kind of pain, maybe they'd see how wrong they are. How is a trial going to bring closure to a family, when he is there smiling in the dock?

[TitoFan]

We're passed the point of wanting to 'know why'. Whatever the reason, the cause, the disputs, there is no reason nor need for a trial. A man with blood on his hands wielding weapons needs only one thing, an end.

Trials are very important for both the victims honour and as a mark in the sand. We as a society abhor this behaviour and it will result in consequences. You can not let them drag you down to their level.

Wow, for once I completely disagree with you. When it comes to crimes like this, I don't believe that trials and prison bring any sense of justice to the crime. In crimes like this, when there is concrete video evidence that a man has committed such a heinous crime, I geniunely believe slow and painful torture is a correct form of punishment. All this crap about "don't stoop to their level" is bollocks, because they commit this crime, say they'd do it again and don't see any wrong in it. If they felt a similar kind of pain, maybe they'd see how wrong they are. How is a trial going to bring closure to a family, when he is there smiling in the dock?

It's another excuse to stuff more money into crooked defense lawyers' pockets.

[El Kabong]

When there is soooo much evidence against someone and guilt is so blatant, why waste time on a trial where these dipshits can say "Well I was temporarily insane" or "I was traumatized by the War on Terror".....nah, they shouldn't have even offered them medical treatment after they were shot, just get the bastards and hang them and put their bodies on display in the harbor so that everyone knows what happens to jokers like that.

[Beanz]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

[El Kabong]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

That's bad, but you can blame the murders of that soldier for inciting that violence as well. Everyone knew there would be blowback from that attack.

If the guys that killed that grandfather are as blatantly guilty as those guys who murdered the soldier yes, I say same rules apply.....is there a video saying they're coming after all Muslims and declaring war on them and that they aren't ever going to be safe?

[Beanz]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

That's bad, but you can blame the murders of that soldier for inciting that violence as well. Everyone knew there would be blowback from that attack.

If the guys that killed that grandfather are as blatantly guilty as those guys who murdered the soldier yes, I say same rules apply.....is there a video saying they're coming after all Muslims and declaring war on them and that they aren't ever going to be safe?

That attack happened BEFORE the Woolwich incident. Total C***s come in all colours. And yes of course far right groups are just as indiscriminate in their threatening.

[El Kabong]

That attack happened BEFORE the Woolwich incident. Total C***s come in all colours. And yes of course far right groups are just as indiscriminate in their threatening.

Well do you just expect me to know that off hand?


Yes I agree on your view that assholes have 0 regard for geopolitical, ethnic, socioeconomic, etc boundaries.


What makes these people "far right"? I am just curious.


The point I was trying to make with the Muslims that murdered that soldier was
#1 There's video evidence of it
#2 There's an admission on the tape, while both guys are holding knives and their hands are bloody
#3 The guy threatens further violence

They're BLATANTLY guilty, they were literally caught "red handed" if you will....let's save everyone some time and trouble and just shoot the scum, like I need a jury to know those dudes are guilty they admitted it with the blood on their hands......ON CAMERA.

[Dia bando]

We can not tolerate people who wish to act in this manner, no mater on religious grounds or
what ever. When you live in a democratic country, you act accordingly not like butchers you
may demonstrate your view, in a law abiding manner.
If you can't may I suggest, you up sticks and move to a Country that will tolerate this kind of
barbaric behavior.There is no room in this Country, for people who don't abide to civilized
culture, we moved on from meed evil times.

[TitoFan]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

People commit these kinds of crimes, counting on a lengthy, drawn-out legal process with probabilities of being acquitted due to some technical snafu, or being imprisoned for life, with all their basic human needs met for free. At some point you have to draw the line and send a message to this type of human garbage, that heinous crimes of this sort will be met with swift, and life-altering consequences.

Or is that too "noncommittal" an answer?

[Beanz]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

People commit these kinds of crimes, counting on a lengthy, drawn-out legal process with probabilities of being acquitted due to some technical snafu, or being imprisoned for life, with all their basic human needs met for free. At some point you have to draw the line and send a message to this type of human garbage, that heinous crimes of this sort will be met with swift, and life-altering consequences.

Or is that too "noncommittal" an answer?

No it is a bullshit answer. They wanted to die as Martyrs. I am saying by executing someone without a trial you lend their delusions creedence. They are common criminals. murderers.

[TitoFan]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

People commit these kinds of crimes, counting on a lengthy, drawn-out legal process with probabilities of being acquitted due to some technical snafu, or being imprisoned for life, with all their basic human needs met for free. At some point you have to draw the line and send a message to this type of human garbage, that heinous crimes of this sort will be met with swift, and life-altering consequences.

Or is that too "noncommittal" an answer?

No it is a bullshit answer. They wanted to die as Martyrs. I am saying by executing someone without a trial you lend their delusions creedence. They are common criminals. murderers.

Well... at least it's not "noncommittal".

Oh... and I'm sure by executing someone without a trial, that's going to bring out all the other martyrs of the world, who will want to get swiftly executed without the benefit of a trial. Makes all kinds of fucking sense.

[Dark Lord Al]

Muslims in shock after grandfather is killed on way home from mosque - Telegraph

What about the people who stabbed this guy ? should we torture them and then hang their bodies on display?

What happened in Woolwich was horrific but it was a knife crime, a cowardly murder carried out on the street. The media, the clueless government and half of the people reacting like it is an act of war are playing right into the hands of two British born dickheads. Who gave them the authority to speak for aggrieved Muslims from countries they have not even visited? Putting them on the front pages amounts to moral collusion with the pair of self righteous deluded madmen. "You people will never be safe" really? their both fucked after being shot so they are no threat and the war they want on British streets is being rejected by the vast majority of actual Muslims.

Bring back the death sentence and treason laws.

[Gandalf]

Some of the views here reflect a savage disinterest in the rule of law. If you commit a crime there should always be a trial. Once you start discarding rule of law, you end up with all kinds of messiness and once you cross those lines there is no going back.

Lawless states exist in the world and they know who they are. Britain has been complicit in such regimes, but I wouldn't like it to become a 'shoot first and stoop to the gutter like the criminals' type of nation which all too obviously exist.

It has happened and though good for a bit of a media salesboost, I don't think it is a massively significant story. Any excuse to have a go at the Muslims really and the hate for Muslims is largely based upon propaganda and ignorance of what we do to them overseas. It should come as no surprise when some snap and want to wreak havoc. It isn't a quantum leap to see where the dislike of Britain comes from. It is a habitual invader of sovereign Muslim lands. Muslim attacks are a token act of resistance at best. One would have to be blind to fail to comprehend where anger comes from.

In some ways Britain is very lucky. Very few Muslims kill English people and yet the British are likely the reason why perhaps tens of thousands of Iraqi's have dead family members and that is just Iraq. These things are always comparable. What makes it worse is that the British government sponsored the Iraqi bloodshed. It should come as no surprise that the British are not loved by all that sail within her borders.

[El Kabong]

yet the British are likely the reason why perhaps tens of thousands of Iraqi's have dead family members and that is just Iraq.

2 words BULL...........CRAP

[Gandalf]

yet the British are likely the reason why perhaps tens of thousands of Iraqi's have dead family members and that is just Iraq.

2 words BULL...........CRAP

Sure, the British didn't put a foot wrong in Iraq and merely provided water for the dehydrated people put at the mercy of insufferable U.N. sanctions being the heavenly types that we are.

You are the masters of police militarisation, the murderers of Bin Laden, torturers of Guantanamo and the main architects of Muslim grievances in the world and I am talking Bull? Of course I am to you when suggesting that we are the probable cause and that rule of law is a must.

The British went along with a lot of it and so it is logical to piece together invasions with occasional ethnic or religious disgruntlement.