Scientific Fraud

[El Kabong]

OK so just because you don't like the source it doesn't mean what they say isn't true. Al Gore IS a hypocrite.....The science is settled on that discussion

My problem with that source is that I literally know nothing about them and, from what I briefly read, they seem challenged in the credibility department.

While preaching energy austerity for everyone else in order, he claims, to save the planet from man-made climate change, Gore personally lives a luxurious, jet-setting, carbon dioxide-consuming lifestyle, including multi-million-dollar homes and never-ending, first-class, globe-trotting.

While constantly denouncing the evils of the fossil fuel industry, Gore recently sold his Current TV for $500 million (including a reported personal profit of $70 million) to Al Jazeera, the international news service funded by the oil-and- natural-gas-rich Arab emirate of Qatar.

So those are inaccurate claims



Iaminuit people can say Anthropogenic Global Warming exists all they want to BUT I'm not going to pay any mind to it because #1 People have said for too long "We're doomed already" yet here we are #2 The people preaching that doom haven't cut back at all in their lifestyles (see Al Gore) #3 Who is to say if we stop emitting carbon altogether (with the exception of exhaling) that this can be reversed and #4 Who are we to say what the climate of the Earth should be? If it changed on it's own would we try to stop it?

[Kirkland Laing]

Lyle learned a new word. A five syllable word.!

[El Kabong]

Lyle learned a new word. A five syllable word.!

Hey, it's everyone's favorite troll!

[Gandalf]

That is perhaps the most cynical attitude to have and the attitude of one who wants his cake and will eat it and be damned if anyone wants to live after the dump has been laid.

If man has caused it or not, man has a responsibility to be as good to this planet as he can because it is all that he has. Why take the risk? Good science has shown the evidence. Bought science is largely the type bought into by the likes of Captain Blowhard and paid for by the oil corporations.

Everyone drives a car, everyone uses an air conditioner. Al Gore is but a tiny part of the equation. There are many ways to deal with the problem, but our current economic models are designed to grow or else and so consuming until nothing remains is the only path they can see. They are all competing to grow and it is a pointless quest when they will eventually have to stop growing.

There are solutions to global warming and that would mean not only the rich pay, but also ordinary people. I think most would be willing to change if it was held to all. That would mean that at the very least, we tried. Surely it is better to try than to say 'To hell with it, I like consumption and it will be me until I die'. Obviously species survival will not happen with such attitudes.

[El Kabong]

Did I say "destroy the Earth"? NO! I love nature, but I'm tired of people preach at me when they are more guilty of the sins they are railing against! I don't fly in private jets, I don't have an outrageously huge mansion, I don't have a yacht, I don't have 50 cars in my driveway, I don't jet set around the world for vacations or speeches all the time.

There's a fine line between being a Tree hugging fish feel pain zealot and being a reasonable and rational person

[Gandalf]

Most people don't have those things, Lyle. They are struggling with what they have. Most given the choice would prefer that their children had a future too and would give up a few things and the super rich should pay a lot more. It is just common sense. It is obvious and yet you yourself would rather accept that it is over and just destroy the planet. That is really selfish. Al Gore is just a figure to bash at.

[El Kabong]

Most people don't have those things, Lyle. They are struggling with what they have. Most given the choice would prefer that their children had a future too and would give up a few things and the super rich should pay a lot more. It is just common sense. It is obvious and yet you yourself would rather accept that it is over and just destroy the planet. That is really selfish. Al Gore is just a figure to bash at.

OK #1 the people preaching about Global Warming DO have those things and they want people to pay for indulgences

#2 Sure people will sacrifice for their kids it's called "being a parent"

#3 The super rich should pay more for what? What the fuck does income redistribution have to do with the climate miles? If the super rich gave up a lot of their money to the super poor then the super poor would all buy cars and spend more money "hurting the environment" so using common sense it's probably better for the environment that a select elite few can own gas guzzling cars and fly in private jets....I just don't want them telling me that I have to be the one to cut back when they are doing things in excess...Charles Bukowski wouldn't tell a teetotaler to cut back on their booze consumption!

#4 Destroy the planet? We couldn't "Destroy the planet" if we TRIED....this Earth has been through far worse than anything the humans could ever do to it and it will be here long after our species had died off so I really don't know what you're fucking talking about.

[Gandalf]

1. If you are suggesting that most have a car etc, then sure they do.
2. Again it is natural for parents to want to help their offspring, but personally I am not sure how true that is. I have no kids, but I would love to help more just as long as others were doing so too.
3. Corporations and wealthy people obviously produce a larger carbon footprint and should thus lead the way. This is planet survival, not just give the 'black man a bowl of fried chicken'. They should pay tax progressively and be forced to reign in their demands to fit a changing world. It is complex and needs thought.
4. Of course we can destroy the planet and you doubt it now living in semi ignorance. Give it 50 years and with little done lets have this same conversation. I don't want to be right, but unless things change, I will and I say that I was right to choose different life paths than most. It will give me no real satisfaction. 50 years will just be the start of the hell that follows.

[El Kabong]

1. If you are suggesting that most have a car etc, then sure they do.
2. Again it is natural for parents to want to help their offspring, but personally I am not sure how true that is. I have no kids, but I would love to help more just as long as others were doing so too.
3. Corporations and wealthy people obviously produce a larger carbon footprint and should thus lead the way. This is planet survival, not just give the 'black man a bowl of fried chicken'. They should pay tax progressively and be forced to reign in their demands to fit a changing world. It is complex and needs thought.
4. Of course we can destroy the planet and you doubt it now living in semi ignorance. Give it 50 years and with little done lets have this same conversation. I don't want to be right, but unless things change, I will and I say that I was right to choose different life paths than most. It will give me no real satisfaction. 50 years will just be the start of the hell that follows.

....FACT

[CFH]

OK so just because you don't like the source it doesn't mean what they say isn't true. Al Gore IS a hypocrite.....The science is settled on that discussion

My problem with that source is that I literally know nothing about them and, from what I briefly read, they seem challenged in the credibility department.

While preaching energy austerity for everyone else in order, he claims, to save the planet from man-made climate change, Gore personally lives a luxurious, jet-setting, carbon dioxide-consuming lifestyle, including multi-million-dollar homes and never-ending, first-class, globe-trotting.

While constantly denouncing the evils of the fossil fuel industry, Gore recently sold his Current TV for $500 million (including a reported personal profit of $70 million) to Al Jazeera, the international news service funded by the oil-and- natural-gas-rich Arab emirate of Qatar.

So those are inaccurate claims



Iaminuit people can say Anthropogenic Global Warming exists all they want to BUT I'm not going to pay any mind to it because #1 People have said for too long "We're doomed already" yet here we are #2 The people preaching that doom haven't cut back at all in their lifestyles (see Al Gore) #3 Who is to say if we stop emitting carbon altogether (with the exception of exhaling) that this can be reversed and #4 Who are we to say what the climate of the Earth should be? If it changed on it's own would we try to stop it?

I have no idea if those claims are true or if they are properly contextualized. What I am saying is that I am extremely hesitant to accept the word of a Canadian "news source" that I have literally never heard mentioned before and one that has a seemingly suspect reputation. Furthermore, I believe, once again, that I have already rebutted the previous points.

[El Kabong]

Man-made particles lowered hurricane frequency: study - FRANCE 24

....but Al Gore promised there would be WORSE hurricanes!

[El Kabong]

Antarctic expedition scientists trapped in ice | World news | The Guardian


Here's hoping the have to go all Donner Party on themselves


"The Science is settled"......yeah settled like the ice around your fucking boat.

[killersheep]

I believe the big issue here is that many people who say "science is wrong" or this is "scientific fraud" don't understand the science to begin with.

What do we know about the models that were "fraudulent"?

The beauty of science is it's falsifiability. Scientists will regularly try to make existing theories fail so we can whittle down to the best possible understanding we can about the natural world. If a scientist is found to intentionally make false claims or misrepresenting facts their career is over, it's a one strike system. The importance of this skepticism is paramount because we have to always add new data and methods to make sure the models are still as accurate as possible.

Now does that make the data less real? Does that make the evidence less real? No

Climate science in particular is a very complicated model and I of course am not an expert in it. But to the best of our understanding now, based on the evidence at hand and correlated with the historical record, there is a robust view that man's impact on the earth is real. You are free to disbelieve or suspend belief all you want, until the model is shown to be false it's all academic.

[El Kabong]

I know a few things....I know I can MAYBE trust the weatherman to give me a 5 day forecast. I know the climate has changed many times BEFORE the Industrial Revolution. I know when people are adamant enough about something due to pride they don't wish to be questioned. And I know that right now there's a Russian ship full of tree huggers that has become trapped in the very ice they were CERTAIN was melting and that ship may get crushed or it might just be frozen there for YEARS.


But hey let's all ASSUME Anthropogenic Global Warming is real. It's not like people fudged data on purpose for years in order to receive grants from various government....oh they did? Well even so let's just "be safe" and regardless if that "safety" will cost families living paycheck to paycheck more money, keep 3rd world countries from developing, and keep starving people hungry at least we'll have an Earth that's habitable to humans because that's what MOTHER NATURE INTENDED and we know because Al Gore told us. Al Gore who runs this giant scheme to line his pockets....oh I'm sorry because Al gore "Cares about the Earth"

It's a scam and I'm hoping Mother Nature sinks that fucking ship and teaches those scientists a cruel ironic lesson!

[El Kabong]

The Earth hasn't seen a period of warming in how long? 15 years?

Why wasn't that predicted in ANY of the models?

Why in 1977 were we told to prepare for another ICE AGE and then in the 1990's it's all about WARMING?

The environmentalists have cried "wolf" for far too long...it's over, the jig is up. They lied and people have suffered because of their lies! Higher taxes, keeping people poor, keeping people hungry, all to line their own pockets.....I don't know how you side with them to be honest.

All these predictions of doom and humanity is still here...bad news for the Climate Change set