Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

[Kirkland Laing]

You can pretend that the Iraq war was all about Oil but that is a gross over simplification and misrepresentation of a conflict prompted by much more than that and at it's heart represented a universalism and willingness to stand alongside others who wished for nothing more than the opportunity to aspire to liberal ideals.

There's no pretend about it. Iraq was entirely down to it having the world's second-largest oil reserve under its sands.

Five countries in the Arabian desert have more thanhalf the world's easily recoverable oil. If it was five coutries around the Sahara desert then a quater of America's foreign firepower would be clustered round those countries, America would be propping up those dictatorships and anytime one of those dictators fell out with America they'd become a credible threat to the national security of the United States.


It's not just a crazy leftie like me who thinks the Iraq war was all about oil. The current US Secretary of Defence thinks it was. The former Chairman of the Federal Reserve thinks it was. And the former top US General running the occupation in Iraq thinks it was.


Hagel: War for Oil | The Weekly Standard


Just clivk and listen for a couple of minutes, it's cued up right to the rlevant bit : EDIT : it is now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sd2JseupXQ&t=21m45s

And in a few years when oil hits two or four hundred dollars a barrel and fucks advanced economies up and countries start threatening each other over supplies it'll become crystal clear to everybody just why we went into Iraq. Almost everybody.

[El Kabong]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

[Howlin Mad Missy]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

however it's not going to last

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

it's about securing 'future' oil reserves

[El Kabong]

however it's not going to last

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

it's about securing 'future' oil reserves

OOOOOOH well yes of course


Couldn't the war be because Saddam repeatedly violated UN multiple sanctions? Nah, nah it's TOTALLY due to oil to which I might add is extremely fucking expensive so why the fuck would that be if we went to war for oil? Why wouldn't the oil be dirt cheap right now? Riddle me that Missy

[Howlin Mad Missy]

however it's not going to last

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countries - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

it's about securing 'future' oil reserves

OOOOOOH well yes of course


Couldn't the war be because Saddam repeatedly violated UN multiple sanctions? Nah, nah it's TOTALLY due to oil to which I might add is extremely fucking expensive so why the fuck would that be if we went to war for oil? Why wouldn't the oil be dirt cheap right now? Riddle me that Missy

yet energy prices are going up hmmm

and you mean like the kind of UN violation that means Under the UN Charter, "there are only two circumstances in which the use of force is permissible: in collective or individual self-defense against an actual or imminent armed attack; and when the Security Council has directed or authorized use of force to maintain or restore international peace and security. Neither of those circumstances now exist. Absent one of them, U.S. use of force against Iraq is unlawful."

and of course the weapons the governments lied about to 'justify' a war.

But it's ok you carry on with the thread hijack

[El Kabong]

yet energy prices are going up hmmm

and you mean like the kind of UN violation that means Under the UN Charter, "there are only two circumstances in which the use of force is permissible: in collective or individual self-defense against an actual or imminent armed attack; and when the Security Council has directed or authorized use of force to maintain or restore international peace and security. Neither of those circumstances now exist. Absent one of them, U.S. use of force against Iraq is unlawful."

and of course the weapons the governments lied about to 'justify' a war.

But it's ok you carry on with the thread hijack

#1 The UN is impotent, if that's their view on war then I guess 0 of their sanctions have any teeth. "We as the UN tell you to do x, y, and z and if you don't........well we just won't like you very much Saddam!" GAY, that's fucking gay

#2 I didn't hijack anything, miles and Kirkland are the ones saying "Well this attack was kind of justified because of the War on Terror" then they brought up the whole "illegal war" bullshit and now all the sissies want to join in on talking about Iraq...where I merely stated that A) Its a horrible attack B ) some bystander should have done SOMETHING and C) if those bastards stay in jail forever they'll only make more people radicalized and I proved that by linking a story which you apparently passed right on by.

#3 Have fun with your muzzies, your country has appeased the radical ones for far too long

#4 Where did the WMD's from Iraq go
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9df_1369675224
Syria anyone
LiveLeak.com - Smoking Gun for Syria Gas Attack - We know who did it!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

muzzies - racist, just thought I'd point that one out.

[Kirkland Laing]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

[El Kabong]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

#1 your little picture doesn't work dingus

#2 Iraq turned out to be a failure...the United States took over an entire country after 21 days of major combat operations....hardly a "failure" from a military standpoint I mean actually its downright impressive come to think of it. It took the Nazi's 1 month and 5 days to take Poland and that was considered pretty quick. PLUS the US made bombing runs on Iraq & Afghanistan from Air Force bases in Missouri......fucking Missouri man! But I suppose all that is lost on you, America is always the bad guy in your eyes and that's all that matters.

[VictorCharlie]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

[Kirkland Laing]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

Why Lausanne?

[VictorCharlie]

I was wondering how long this would go before Kirk put up that picture. Kirk, you've got that blown poster size in your house (not your main house but the lake house in Lausanne) don't you?

Why Lausanne?

Don't all wealthy glob trotting lefties have a lake house there?

[Kirkland Laing]

You posted a link with comments from that simpleton Chuck Hagel and that fat ape Michael Moore...gee however could I disagree with those two


A war for oil eh? Well according to this



We get a whopping 3.2% of our oil from Iraq....maaaaan why didn't we blow them up sooner? Also why didn't we blow up Canada? Pfffft that would be too easy I guess

It's not where you get your oil from. It's where American corporations get their oil from. American corporations don't give a flying fuck about you. You're just simpletons who get to buy their products and fight in their wars. They'll happily sell their oil to the highest bidders, whether that;s the Chinese, the Europeans or whoever.

And don't forget Iraq turned out to be a complete failure as far as what America wanted to see happen went. You invaded, couldn't set the political system up the way you wanted and ended up handing the country over to Iran.

Here's the handover press conference that the liberal media never showed you on your TV.

#1 your little picture doesn't work dingus

#2 Iraq turned out to be a failure...the United States took over an entire country after 21 days of major combat operations....hardly a "failure" from a military standpoint I mean actually its downright impressive come to think of it. It took the Nazi's 1 month and 5 days to take Poland and that was considered pretty quick. PLUS the US made bombing runs on Iraq & Afghanistan from Air Force bases in Missouri......fucking Missouri man! But I suppose all that is lost on you, America is always the bad guy in your eyes and that's all that matters.

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

[El Kabong]

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

#1 Iraq knowingly AND repeatedly violated numerous UN resolutions.....how many times must I type that out before you pull your head out of your ass and read it?

#2 The civilian casualties in Iraq are minute when compared to any other war ESPECIALLY when you consider the amount of civilians the Allied Forces supposedly killed as opposed to the ones that were killed in the sectarian violence.

[Kirkland Laing]

You invaded a country under false pretence in a war for oil, you killed a couple of hundred thousand civilians and then Iran booted you out. Every paper in the Arabic and Asian world had that photograph and a headline similar to "America's humiliation". Either from a military/foreign policy point of view or just a moral point of view that's nothing to be proud of, is it?

#1 Iraq knowingly AND repeatedly violated numerous UN resolutions.....how many times must I type that out before you pull your head out of your ass and read it?

#2 The civilian casualties in Iraq are minute when compared to any other war ESPECIALLY when you consider the amount of civilians the Allied Forces supposedly killed as opposed to the ones that were killed in the sectarian violence.

OK, they violated UN sanctions. So what? So do lots of other countries, including Middle Eastern countries that we're allied with. Iraq's violations didn't give America or anybody else the right to invade as I already pointed out. Bush invaded without UN sanction to do so, not with it.


OK, so you killed less people in this failed war for oil than in other wars. Congratulations. Maybe if you only kill a few hundred thousand people then it doesn't really count.